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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Quote…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“</span></font><font size=1
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>It has far more
to do with the local volume and the relationship you have with the local flyers
and airport management than it does a cut and dry, do or don’t fly at
airports.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>I agree 100%...Some may recall I was trying to set up a airshow
/ pattern contest at our local airport in southern <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Indiana</st1:place></st1:State>. Troy Newman was very supportive and
with him committing, I felt I could promote this airshow at the request of the
Mayor and would be an annual hit for an airshow and a regional contest for D3,
D4, and D5.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>I thought my relationship was rock solid with the AA
(Management). I was the Local High School Sponsor for their Aviation Club and
worked with them to get interest for their flight school. We had a discussion
with the Mayor that I was very positive.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>We’ll the relationship wasn’t what I thought. A
couple of days later, I called the Mayor and told him I’m getting a lot
of support and this will be an outstanding event. The AA Manager went to the
Mayor and told him I wanted the Airport shut down for this. This was not true
and he admitted he lied to the mayor. I was working with AMA to arrange a
meeting on the details when this happened. The Mayor pulled the plug and never
looked back. He only offered me a semi-pro ballpark (which was nice) but would
be something I couldn’t get folks to commit to with the same support.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>The key is that the AA Manager has the power to make it or
break it. You need him/her onboard first. I offered $1,000 per day with full
scale aircraft having full right of way with no interference from our activity.
We were to use a taxiway that isn’t normally ever used by full scale
pilots (5,000ft runway).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>What made it sour grapes for me is that the Mayor searched
me out and asked for my help…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=1 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Larry Diamond</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mark Atwood<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 17, 2008
11:38 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Full</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Scale</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Airport</st1:PlaceType></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=1 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>The piece that’s missing in
this decision is the activity level and “style” of the airport.
We held an event at a local municipal airport and it remained open...But
a few things prevailed. A) the traffic was VERY low, and B) we were able to
invite (and had interest from) all of the resident pilots to come spectate.
There was mutual interest, and there was no antagonism about us
interfering with “their” runway. Our tone was one of
appreciative guests, and they played the part of willing hosts. <br>
<br>
In a two day event we had 2 full scales land and we stopped both times.
In one of the two cases, the pilot who intended to stop, refuel and go,
chose to stay the remaining 2.5 hours and watch rather than disrupt the event
again.<br>
<br>
It has far more to do with the local volume and the relationship you have with
the local flyers and airport management than it does a cut and dry, do or
don’t fly at airports.<br>
<br>
-Mark<br>
<br>
<br>
On 1/17/08 12:22 PM, "J N Hiller" <jnhiller@earthlink.net>
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>During the 25+ years I have been competing
here in the northwest we have always had at least one contest held ad an active
airport that has very little traffic. We just land and when the full size
aircraft clears the runway we go back up and pick up where we left off. It
happens rarely, kind of like having a mid-air. I would much rather deal with
this than not have the contest. <br>
Some days are diamonds and some days are stones.<br>
Jim Hiller<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%5d">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</a><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ed Deaver<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 17, 2008
2:43 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Full</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Scale</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Airport</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
</span></font><br>
I have been put in a difficult situation here in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Lubbock</st1:place></st1:City> and am interested in some of your
valued opinions.<br>
<br>
Scenario:<br>
Our club field (now) is a small airport in Abernathy, 20 miles North of
Lubbock. The city will not close the airport for model events. The club
may not support a contest at the city field (not the club "home"
field.)<br>
<br>
My question is;<br>
<br>
How do you feel about competing at a site, requiring you to immediately land as
soon as a full scale plane is on final?<br>
<br>
I don't think there is much full scale traffic, but it only takes one
incident/hard landing or interuption to that burner flight you have been
looking for all summer, to make the contest unenjoyable.<br>
<br>
Thank you for your input.<br>
<br>
Ed<br>
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