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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Reviews
would be interesting but without a large sampling may not be very informative
due to the reviewer ’s expectations and item-to-item quality control spread.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jay Marshall<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 14, 2008
7:52 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
New Planes</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Wouldn’t it be nice if
there was a place to go on the web for multiple reviews – by builders – of the
pros and cons of pattern kits, ARFs, and RTFs? </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Brush Script MT";color:navy;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>Jay Marshall</span></font></i></b><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Steven Maxwell<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 14, 2008
10:33 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
New Planes</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Ok sence I'm
friends with Chris I'll take the counterpoint in this debate. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The way I see
it and yes it would be better if everything is "perfect" but then
thats not life, point being if auto's never had recalls, if you never had to
reboot windows, ok and you can go on and on, the difference I see
is Chris paid $3500-3800 for his Zeque now the difference between it
and a $1100 plane to me is huge and many can't afford the $3500 or has
better places to spend the money (wifey factor), I'm one that would do the
adjustments to the less expensive plane for the difference in price if all
other things for flying is close to the same.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> We have
all seen the "Flavor of the month" factor, and have even had
people say I had X plane and sold it years ago and still think it was the
best flying plane they have ever had. I still like the way the CA kits are
done, and no I'm not saying that they are good or bad just like the
"kits" give me a well done fuse unfinished and all foam, and for
me I even like them sheeted and let me do everything else. <br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>chris moon
<cjm767driver@hotmail.com></span></i></b> wrote:</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
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solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'><span text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">I think you are right
Ed. We are falling over ourselves to get the plane du jour and are
willing to accept it as they come just to have the hot item I guess. I
have no problem with a quality kit for $1200, but accepting a messed up one
that you have to fix or redo half of what the factory did is just not my idea
of a good deal. We should demand better in my opinion.<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
<br>
Ed Miller wrote: </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt' wrap=""><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Plane of the month syndrome, availability of planes and our own time to build has brought us to where we are. We had quite a few domestic, quality conscious kit manufacturers at one time, now I think we are down just 2 or 3. Quality issues with offshore products isn't limited to the few planes we buy. It seems that the lowest cost has become the sole reason to purchase anything. The flight from quality.......... Ed M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Romano" <a
href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com"><anthonyr105@hotmail.com></a> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Planes I know I should have made some noise about the last two kits I built. A "name" airplane that I waited a long time for and</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> was continually dissapointed by. Then it got harder. I built a Black Magic next and all the flaws were my own fault! Anthony From: <a
href="mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.comTo:">cjm767driver@hotmail.comTo:</a> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.orgDate:">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.orgDate:</a> Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:07:57 -0600Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Planes Since it has been so quiet, I want to stir the pot and ask everyone why it is that we as a group accept lots of poor quality kits and just shrug it off? I spoke with 2 people this weekend who are building different planes and both are unhappy with the quality of the kits. Pieces are warped and twisted and tubes misaligned and we just say..."oh well, I'll fix it". One guy said something to the effect that well, it was ONLY $1,000.00!!!! We are way too lenient on accepting cruddy quality and just fixing it. I know</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> there are not a lot of vendors out there, but we are happy to pay just $1,000 and get a twisted plane in return?? I was told one popular plane that many guys now have has 5 DEGREES of down thrust mistakenly molded into the fuse and everyone just says, oh well, I'll fix it. Don't know about you, but $1,000 is a lot of dough to me, and to happily pay for a cruddy product in return is just wrong. I still remember that famous email from one mfg that basically said that the person complaining about his wing was twisted should be HAPPY that it was twisted because famous pilot XX flew the plane too and he won the NATS with it. The problem is that we don't as a group send the junk back and demand that we get our money's worth. Nospan expects a perfect kit without any problems at all, but aren't we too lenient? Maybe we need to just buy kits like Mike's Black Magic and then we can only blame ourselves if it comes out crooked.Sorry, but I really feel that</span></font><font
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face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> we are being taken advantage of due to the limited supply of planes available and we are told to take it or leave it.Ok, I feel better now.Chris Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now! _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. <a
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