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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a
place to go on the web for multiple reviews – by builders – of the
pros and cons of pattern kits, ARFs, and RTFs? </span></font></p>
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<p><b><i><font size=4 color=navy face="Brush Script MT"><span style='font-size:
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color:navy;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Marshall</span></font></i></b><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> [mailto:</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b></span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Steven Maxwell</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 14, 2008
10:33 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
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List</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
New Planes</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ok sence I'm friends with Chris I'll take the
counterpoint in this debate. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>The way I see it and yes it would be better if
everything is "perfect" but then thats not life, point being if
auto's never had recalls, if you never had to reboot windows, ok and you can go
on and on, the difference I see is Chris paid $3500-3800 for
his Zeque now the difference between it and a $1100 plane to me is
huge and many can't afford the $3500 or has better places to spend the money
(wifey factor), I'm one that would do the adjustments to the less
expensive plane for the difference in price if all other things for
flying is close to the same.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> We have all seen the "Flavor of the
month" factor, and have even had people say I had X plane and sold it
years ago and still think it was the best flying plane they have ever had.
I still like the way the CA kits are done, and no I'm not saying that they
are good or bad just like the "kits" give me a well done fuse
unfinished and all foam, and for me I even like them sheeted and let me do
everything else. <br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>chris moon
<cjm767driver@hotmail.com></span></i></b> wrote:</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I think you are right Ed. We are falling over
ourselves to get the plane du jour and are willing to accept it as they come
just to have the hot item I guess. I have no problem with a quality kit
for $1200, but accepting a messed up one that you have to fix or redo half of
what the factory did is just not my idea of a good deal. We should demand
better in my opinion.<br>
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Chris<br>
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Ed Miller wrote: </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>Plane of the month syndrome, availability of planes and our own time to build has brought us to where we are. We had quite a few domestic, quality conscious kit manufacturers at one time, now I think we are down just 2 or 3. Quality issues with offshore products isn't limited to the few planes we buy. It seems that the lowest cost has become the sole reason to purchase anything. The flight from quality.......... Ed M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Romano" <a
href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com"><anthonyr105@hotmail.com></a> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Planes I know I should have made some noise about the last two kits I built. A "name" airplane that I waited a long time for and</span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'> was continually dissapointed by. Then it got harder. I built a Black Magic next and all the flaws were my own fault! Anthony From: <a
href="mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.comTo:">cjm767driver@hotmail.comTo:</a> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.orgDate:">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.orgDate:</a> Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:07:57 -0600Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Planes Since it has been so quiet, I want to stir the pot and ask everyone why it is that we as a group accept lots of poor quality kits and just shrug it off? I spoke with 2 people this weekend who are building different planes and both are unhappy with the quality of the kits. Pieces are warped and twisted and tubes misaligned and we just say..."oh well, I'll fix it". One guy said something to the effect that well, it was ONLY $1,000.00!!!! We are way too lenient on accepting cruddy quality and just fixing it. I know</span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'> there are not a lot of vendors out there, but we are happy to pay just $1,000 and get a twisted plane in return?? I was told one popular plane that many guys now have has 5 DEGREES of down thrust mistakenly molded into the fuse and everyone just says, oh well, I'll fix it. Don't know about you, but $1,000 is a lot of dough to me, and to happily pay for a cruddy product in return is just wrong. I still remember that famous email from one mfg that basically said that the person complaining about his wing was twisted should be HAPPY that it was twisted because famous pilot XX flew the plane too and he won the NATS with it. The problem is that we don't as a group send the junk back and demand that we get our money's worth. Nospan expects a perfect kit without any problems at all, but aren't we too lenient? Maybe we need to just buy kits like Mike's Black Magic and then we can only blame ourselves if it comes out crooked.Sorry, but I really feel that</span></font></pre><pre
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