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I think the review idea is a very good one and I think if they were to be concentrated on a single site it could get the manufacturer's<BR>
attention. Great things are coming to the NSRCA website this year. I recommend emailing or talking to Derek or one of the web guys<BR>
so that plans can be made if you have some specific thoughts.<BR>
Stay tuned!<BR>
:-)<BR>
JLK<BR>
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From: jnhiller@earthlink.net<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:33:14 -0800<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Planes<BR><BR>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN class=EC_EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Reviews would be interesting but without a large sampling may not be very informative due to the reviewer ’s expectations and item-to-item quality control spread.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN class=EC_EmailStyle23><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim Hiller</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jay Marshall<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, January 14, 2008 7:52 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Planes</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a place to go on the web for multiple reviews – by builders – of the pros and cons of pattern kits, ARFs, and RTFs? </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Steven Maxwell<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, January 14, 2008 10:33 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Planes</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Ok sence I'm friends with Chris I'll take the counterpoint in this debate. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">The way I see it and yes it would be better if everything is "perfect" but then thats not life, point being if auto's never had recalls, if you never had to reboot windows, ok and you can go on and on, the difference I see is Chris paid $3500-3800 for his Zeque now the difference between it and a $1100 plane to me is huge and many can't afford the $3500 or has better places to spend the money (wifey factor), I'm one that would do the adjustments to the less expensive plane for the difference in price if all other things for flying is close to the same.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> We have all seen the "Flavor of the month" factor, and have even had people say I had X plane and sold it years ago and still think it was the best flying plane they have ever had. I still like the way the CA kits are done, and no I'm not saying that they are good or bad just like the "kits" give me a well done fuse unfinished and all foam, and for me I even like them sheeted and let me do everything else. <BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">chris moon <cjm767driver@hotmail.com></SPAN></I></B> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN>I think you are right Ed. We are falling over ourselves to get the plane du jour and are willing to accept it as they come just to have the hot item I guess. I have no problem with a quality kit for $1200, but accepting a messed up one that you have to fix or redo half of what the factory did is just not my idea of a good deal. We should demand better in my opinion.<BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR>Ed Miller wrote: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Plane of the month syndrome, availability of planes and our own time to build has brought us to where we are. We had quite a few domestic, quality conscious kit manufacturers at one time, now I think we are down just 2 or 3. Quality issues with offshore products isn't limited to the few planes we buy. It seems that the lowest cost has become the sole reason to purchase anything. The flight from quality.......... Ed M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Romano" <A href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com"><anthonyr105@hotmail.com></A> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></A> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Planes I know I should have made some noise about the last two kits I built. A "name" airplane that I waited a long time for and</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> was continually dissapointed by. Then it got harder. I built a Black Magic next and all the flaws were my own fault! Anthony From: <A href="mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.comTo:">cjm767driver@hotmail.comTo:</A> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.orgDate:">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.orgDate:</A> Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:07:57 -0600Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Planes Since it has been so quiet, I want to stir the pot and ask everyone why it is that we as a group accept lots of poor quality kits and just shrug it off? I spoke with 2 people this weekend who are building different planes and both are unhappy with the quality of the kits. Pieces are warped and twisted and tubes misaligned and we just say..."oh well, I'll fix it". One guy said something to the effect that well, it was ONLY $1,000.00!!!! We are way too lenient on accepting cruddy quality and just fixing it. I know</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> there are not a lot of vendors out there, but we are happy to pay just $1,000 and get a twisted plane in return?? I was told one popular plane that many guys now have has 5 DEGREES of down thrust mistakenly molded into the fuse and everyone just says, oh well, I'll fix it. Don't know about you, but $1,000 is a lot of dough to me, and to happily pay for a cruddy product in return is just wrong. I still remember that famous email from one mfg that basically said that the person complaining about his wing was twisted should be HAPPY that it was twisted because famous pilot XX flew the plane too and he won the NATS with it. The problem is that we don't as a group send the junk back and demand that we get our money's worth. Nospan expects a perfect kit without any problems at all, but aren't we too lenient? Maybe we need to just buy kits like Mike's Black Magic and then we can only blame ourselves if it comes out crooked.Sorry, but I really feel that</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> we are being taken advantage of due to the limited supply of planes available and we are told to take it or leave it.Ok, I feel better now.Chris Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. 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