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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think
this highlights that it’s less about a “problem” with the
system, than it is a “Difference” in the system. Just
as we learned with Glo vs Electric, there are different issues to worry
about. We were comfortable with the hazards of glo… Having a large
lipo is no more dangerous (potential energy) than the 5 gallon plastic jug of
gasoline you keep in the garage for your lawn mower…but everyone is
comfortable with the gasoline, because they have learned how to handle it, they
know and understand what the risks are and how to avoid them. Lipo’s
are new…when and how they fail, and when and how they fail catastrophically
was an unknown…the more we learn, the more comfortable we become.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>2.4 vs 72
has some of the same TYPE issues. It’s an unknown. We know
how 72 reacts to many scenario’s and we’re just starting to learn
about 2.4. It’s not a direct replacement for 72. There IS a
saturation point for all the brands, and in fact, the more brands involved
(types of systems), the lower the saturation point. We don’t even
range check the same way we used to. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>All I’m
saying is we have to be a tad tolerant while we all go through the learning
curve. I’m not saying the manufacturers don’t have an
obligation to test… they do. But we’re likely to have some
problems even with perfectly functioning equipment because we’re trying
to use it in the exact same fashion as we successfully use to use 72Mhz equipment,
and that’s not going to always work. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Van
Putte<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 11, 2008 10:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I don't have an axe to grind here, but Quique's problem was
with a voltage regulator with insufficient capacity, not with the
Spektrum radio.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:58 AM, Archie Stafford wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Wayne,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Not one
radio has come out that has not had some problems. This time last year,
Spektrums were having problems..QQ lost his new Python at SEFF because of
it. There were other losses as well. I remember when the first ones
came out…they had problems with ANYTHING that got in front of the
radio…Yes, it was geared towards park flyers, but they still had
problems. They learned of the voltage drop problem from QQ, but it cost
others planes as well, just didn’t get acknowledged until QQ had a
problem. I have yet to hear of any incidents with a module based Futaba
radio. I don’t know if this incident on RCU actually happened
or not…I’m curious as to why they went ahead and flew knowing they
had an issue on the ground..and also curious as to the guys setup with a 40%
airplane with a 6EX radio..lots of Y’s or matchboxes there. The
Futaba setup does have advantages..it is true Spread Spectrum where the JR/Spektrum
is not. It never frequency hops. I’m sure there will be
growing pains, just like with the JR/Spektrum. I know Airtronics is also
working on a 2.4 system. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Arch</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 11, 2008 1:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>dedicated circuitry....hmmmm That sounds like it was
done right!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I'll stick with the Spektrum product at least people
are using it. I'm sure there will be problems with any system. Its the growing
pains of the situation. However to be running ads that are pretty much bashing
the other guys saying Futaba did it right. Egg on the face it seems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Besides JR and Spektrum have the market well in hand.
You need a RX for a indoor or park flyer, they got it. Need a 9 channel system
for you jet or Pattern plane they got it and people have been flying it for
months. Need something just for a 7channel sport plane, got it. Oh and by the
way all the stuff from the very first RX on DSM as well as all the RX's on
DSM2, they all work on the same TX and any of the newer TX's. Its really nice
to have reverse compatibility. I guess we know who did Spread Spektrum Right?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I was looking toward the 14MZ but a local IMAC guy
planted 3 40% models on the "new" G3 RX before they told
him to cut the antenna off. That's a lot of bones to plant. Each time the RX's
went back to Hobbico for a checkup, nothing wrong with them. Its your setup,
its this, its that. He now flies the 10X with Spektrum Module.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>By the way I love the X9303. Switched over from the
Futaba 9Cap and haven't looked back. The 9303 blows the doors off the 9C and
its got a 2.4 system that works. I think when the 12X hits the shelves I
might drop my dime on it. I just can't believe I flew Futaba all these
years and was missing the forest for all the trees. I have 3 different books
how to program the 9C and have yet to crack the plastic wrap on the 9303 CD
manual. Its awesome.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>All I can say it was a sad day when Futaba closed its
doors in Irvine, CA and sent the ball into Hobbico hands. Back then they had
people that knew what was up, knew what was needed in a system and drove the
market. Today they are along for the ride. I wish Steve Helms and crew were
still running the show. Giving us Hysteresis adjustment OMG, making it a
music player another OMG, just make the darn thing work man! I can listen
to music on an 8 track player. I wanna fly my toy airplane.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Derek the question came as to what people want from
Futaba. Well here is your answer. Futaba Corp of America not Hobbico.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original
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background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:schale@optonline.net" title="schale@optonline.net">Stuart Chale</a>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Thursday, January
10, 2008 7:21 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I guess I
should have said radio not modules (thanks RVP. 6 ch and 7 ch. Here
is the RCU thread.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><a
href="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6857282/tm.htm"
title="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6857282/tm.htm">http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6857282/tm.htm</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Stuart</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stuart Chale<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I am sure a bunch of
you are watching the various threads on this, but if not and you have one of
the Futaba 2.4 systems, be careful. Apparently on a couple of occasions
one radio has shot down another. So far it has only been reported a
couple of times with the 6 and 7 channel modules only. The word on the
forums and I am not sure how accurate this is, is that some transmitters have
been shipped without programming a unique identifier into them. They have
the basic 0000… code. The receiver is bound to the
transmitter’s supposedly unique code. So if two transmitters have
not been programmed with a unique ID then any receiver bound to one of them
will respond or be shot down by the other, because they essentially have the
same ID code. Again I am not sure that this is suspicion or fact but be
careful if you are flying one until more is known.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Stuart C.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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