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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Agree.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I’ve
been part of the testing of the Airtronics system that’s now being
released (8-Channel) and in an effort to AVOID this type of thing Japan has had
us testing the system relentlessly, even providing DOZENS of additional radios,
JR’s, Futaba’s, Car radios, EPS Systems, etc to have on at the same
time to try and mimic all of the possible saturation and interference scenarios.
That’s a LOT to try and account for. Lot’s of bizarre
installation scenarios to experiment with, (By the way, putting the Rx in a
small metal box in the airplane significantly reduces the range…go
figure).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>We think we
have a solid system…but even mass testing doesn’t completely
duplicate all the real world scenarios…and poor installation scenarios…that
will eventually occur. Only time and use will iron all of those out.
I’ve been an Airtronics guy for a while now, but I have to agree with
Arch…it’s a little early in the game of this new technology to
throw too many stones.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>That being
said, ALL the manufacturers will do well to be a little more “open”
when problems DO occur to both admit it, and make the fix publically known and
understood so that we can get some trust and comfort with the systems, and
prevent as many accidents as possible. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Archie Stafford<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 11, 2008 8:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Wayne,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Not one radio has come out that has not had some problems.
This time last year, Spektrums were having problems..QQ lost his new Python at
SEFF because of it. There were other losses as well. I remember
when the first ones came out…they had problems with ANYTHING that got in
front of the radio…Yes, it was geared towards park flyers, but they still
had problems. They learned of the voltage drop problem from QQ, but it
cost others planes as well, just didn’t get acknowledged until QQ had a
problem. I have yet to hear of any incidents with a module based Futaba
radio. I don’t know if this incident on RCU actually happened
or not…I’m curious as to why they went ahead and flew knowing they
had an issue on the ground..and also curious as to the guys setup with a 40%
airplane with a 6EX radio..lots of Y’s or matchboxes there. The
Futaba setup does have advantages..it is true Spread Spectrum where the
JR/Spektrum is not. It never frequency hops. I’m sure there
will be growing pains, just like with the JR/Spektrum. I know Airtronics
is also working on a 2.4 system. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Arch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 11, 2008 1:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>dedicated circuitry....hmmmm
That sounds like it was done right!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I'll stick with the Spektrum
product at least people are using it. I'm sure there will be problems with any
system. Its the growing pains of the situation. However to be running ads that
are pretty much bashing the other guys saying Futaba did it right. Egg on the
face it seems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Besides JR and Spektrum have
the market well in hand. You need a RX for a indoor or park flyer, they got it.
Need a 9 channel system for you jet or Pattern plane they got it and people
have been flying it for months. Need something just for a 7channel sport plane,
got it. Oh and by the way all the stuff from the very first RX on DSM as well
as all the RX's on DSM2, they all work on the same TX and any of the newer
TX's. Its really nice to have reverse compatibility. I guess we know who did
Spread Spektrum Right?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I was looking toward the 14MZ
but a local IMAC guy planted 3 40% models on the "new" G3
RX before they told him to cut the antenna off. That's a lot of bones to plant.
Each time the RX's went back to Hobbico for a checkup, nothing wrong with them.
Its your setup, its this, its that. He now flies the 10X with Spektrum Module.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>By the way I love the X9303.
Switched over from the Futaba 9Cap and haven't looked back. The 9303 blows the
doors off the 9C and its got a 2.4 system that works. I think when the 12X hits
the shelves I might drop my dime on it. I just can't believe I flew Futaba
all these years and was missing the forest for all the trees. I have 3
different books how to program the 9C and have yet to crack the plastic wrap on
the 9303 CD manual. Its awesome.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>All I can say it was a sad
day when Futaba closed its doors in Irvine, CA and sent the ball into Hobbico
hands. Back then they had people that knew what was up, knew what was needed in
a system and drove the market. Today they are along for the ride. I wish Steve
Helms and crew were still running the show. Giving us Hysteresis adjustment
OMG, making it a music player another OMG, just make the darn thing
work man! I can listen to music on an 8 track player. I wanna fly my toy
airplane.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Derek the question came as to
what people want from Futaba. Well here is your answer. Futaba Corp of America
not Hobbico.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:schale@optonline.net"
title="schale@optonline.net">Stuart Chale</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Thursday, January
10, 2008 7:21 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I guess I should have said radio not modules (thanks RVP. 6
ch and 7 ch. Here is the RCU thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><a href="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6857282/tm.htm"
title="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6857282/tm.htm">http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6857282/tm.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stuart
Chale<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
am sure a bunch of you are watching the various threads on this, but if not and
you have one of the Futaba 2.4 systems, be careful. Apparently on a
couple of occasions one radio has shot down another. So far it has only
been reported a couple of times with the 6 and 7 channel modules only.
The word on the forums and I am not sure how accurate this is, is that some
transmitters have been shipped without programming a unique identifier into
them. They have the basic 0000… code. The receiver is bound
to the transmitter’s supposedly unique code. So if two transmitters
have not been programmed with a unique ID then any receiver bound to one of
them will respond or be shot down by the other, because they essentially have
the same ID code. Again I am not sure that this is suspicion or fact but
be careful if you are flying one until more is known.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Stuart
C.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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