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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Good e-mail Mark.
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">One more thing would
be that all these systems use an encryption key so the receiver only
listens to it's own transmitter, ergo the binging of the RX to the TX. This is
the big difference between any SS technology and analog like what we used on 72
meg. This in and of itself is what really sets this technology apart. Unless the
band is swamped or the front end of the receiver has been overloaded by another
signal it should be able to differentiate between data packets.
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">A prime example
of DSSS is the wireless LAN router that so many of use in our homes. Not
many people change the setup out of the box but they work in densely populated
areas due to the UID assigned to the box. Range of course decreases as the noise
floor on channel increases but the systems still weed out their intended data.
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">With this technology
you certainly have to let go of some of the things you know and learn it's
idiosyncrasies.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=atwoodm@paragon-inc.com href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">Atwood,
Mark</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 11, 2008 10:31
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba
FAAST trouble</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I think
this highlights that it’s less about a “problem” with the system, than it is a
“Difference” in the system. Just as we learned with Glo vs
Electric, there are different issues to worry about. We were comfortable
with the hazards of glo… Having a large lipo is no more dangerous
(potential energy) than the 5 gallon plastic jug of gasoline you keep in the
garage for your lawn mower…but everyone is comfortable with the gasoline,
because they have learned how to handle it, they know and understand what the
risks are and how to avoid them. Lipo’s are new…when and how they fail,
and when and how they fail catastrophically was an unknown…the more we learn,
the more comfortable we become.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">2.4 vs 72
has some of the same TYPE issues. It’s an unknown. We know how 72
reacts to many scenario’s and we’re just starting to learn about 2.4.
It’s not a direct replacement for 72. There IS a saturation point for
all the brands, and in fact, the more brands involved (types of systems), the
lower the saturation point. We don’t even range check the same way we
used to. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">All I’m
saying is we have to be a tad tolerant while we all go through the learning
curve. I’m not saying the manufacturers don’t have an obligation to
test… they do. But we’re likely to have some problems even with
perfectly functioning equipment because we’re trying to use it in the exact
same fashion as we successfully use to use 72Mhz equipment, and that’s not
going to always work. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">-Mark<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ron Van
Putte<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 11, 2008 10:05 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST
trouble<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I don't have an axe to grind here, but Quique's problem was
with a voltage regulator with insufficient capacity, not with the
Spektrum radio.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:58 AM, Archie Stafford
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Wayne,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Not
one radio has come out that has not had some problems. This time last
year, Spektrums were having problems..QQ lost his new Python at SEFF because
of it. There were other losses as well. I remember when the first
ones came out…they had problems with ANYTHING that got in front of the
radio…Yes, it was geared towards park flyers, but they still had
problems. They learned of the voltage drop problem from QQ, but it cost
others planes as well, just didn’t get acknowledged until QQ had a problem. I
have yet to hear of any incidents with a module based Futaba radio.
I don’t know if this incident on RCU actually happened or not…I’m
curious as to why they went ahead and flew knowing they had an issue on the
ground..and also curious as to the guys setup with a 40% airplane with a 6EX
radio..lots of Y’s or matchboxes there. The Futaba setup does have
advantages..it is true Spread Spectrum where the JR/Spektrum is not. It
never frequency hops. I’m sure there will be growing pains, just like
with the JR/Spektrum. I know Airtronics is also working on a 2.4
system. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Arch</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Wayne<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 11, 2008 1:24
AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Futaba FAAST trouble</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">dedicated circuitry....hmmmm That sounds like it was
done right!</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I'll stick with the Spektrum product at least people
are using it. I'm sure there will be problems with any system. Its the growing
pains of the situation. However to be running ads that are pretty much bashing
the other guys saying Futaba did it right. Egg on the face it
seems.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Besides JR and Spektrum have the market well in hand.
You need a RX for a indoor or park flyer, they got it. Need a 9 channel system
for you jet or Pattern plane they got it and people have been flying it for
months. Need something just for a 7channel sport plane, got it. Oh and by the
way all the stuff from the very first RX on DSM as well as all the RX's on
DSM2, they all work on the same TX and any of the newer TX's. Its really nice
to have reverse compatibility. I guess we know who did Spread Spektrum
Right?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I was looking toward the 14MZ but a local IMAC guy
planted 3 40% models on the "new" G3 RX before they told him to cut
the antenna off. That's a lot of bones to plant. Each time the RX's went back
to Hobbico for a checkup, nothing wrong with them. Its your setup, its this,
its that. He now flies the 10X with Spektrum
Module.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">By the way I love the X9303. Switched over from the
Futaba 9Cap and haven't looked back. The 9303 blows the doors off the 9C and
its got a 2.4 system that works. I think when the 12X hits the shelves I
might drop my dime on it. I just can't believe I flew Futaba all these
years and was missing the forest for all the trees. I have 3 different books
how to program the 9C and have yet to crack the plastic wrap on the 9303 CD
manual. Its awesome.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">All I can say it was a sad day when Futaba closed its
doors in Irvine, CA and sent the ball into Hobbico hands. Back then they had
people that knew what was up, knew what was needed in a system and drove the
market. Today they are along for the ride. I wish Steve Helms and crew were
still running the show. Giving us Hysteresis adjustment OMG, making it a
music player another OMG, just make the darn thing work man! I can
listen to music on an 8 track player. I wanna fly my toy
airplane.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Derek the question came as to what people want from
Futaba. Well here is your answer. Futaba Corp of America not
Hobbico.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=schale@optonline.net href="mailto:schale@optonline.net">Stuart
Chale</A> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A>
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Thursday,
January 10, 2008 7:21 PM</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
guess I should have said radio not modules (thanks RVP. 6 ch and 7
ch. Here is the RCU thread.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6857282/tm.htm
href="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6857282/tm.htm">http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6857282/tm.htm</A></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Stuart</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Stuart Chale<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 10, 2008
6:37 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[NSRCA-discussion] Futaba FAAST trouble</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I am sure a bunch
of you are watching the various threads on this, but if not and you have one
of the Futaba 2.4 systems, be careful. Apparently on a couple of
occasions one radio has shot down another. So far it has only been
reported a couple of times with the 6 and 7 channel modules only. The
word on the forums and I am not sure how accurate this is, is that some
transmitters have been shipped without programming a unique identifier into
them. They have the basic 0000… code. The receiver is bound to
the transmitter’s supposedly unique code. So if two transmitters have
not been programmed with a unique ID then any receiver bound to one of them
will respond or be shot down by the other, because they essentially have the
same ID code. Again I am not sure that this is suspicion or fact but
be careful if you are flying one until more is known.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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