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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ron, that jus goes to show that there is not a lot
of difference between golf and pattern flying!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sounds like some young entropeneur otta git wif
them n build up some new radioos for us ol fellas, and maybe
udders.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 22, 2007 2:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba
and pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>My "local R/C electronic techie' responded after I forwarded
the below e-mail to him. Some of you may remember him; he's
Curt Oberg, a pretty fair Pattern competitor himself. He's what Curt
said:
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Comic Sans MS"
face="Comic Sans MS" size=5>"Ron, yep, the MP8K is alive and doing well.
A few days ago, a single stick was listed on eBay and the last bid was
for $360. Don’t know what it ended up being sold for.
As far as using the Futuba/Jr modules with the MP8K, lots of guys are
doing that all ready. The legality of using them on 72mhz has been
widely discussed but many of the MP8K users have HAM licenses and operate on 6
meters so it’s not an issue for them. A lot of them are also in use
overseas. Several of the MP8K owners have converted their systems to 2.4
gig and Dan Thompson in Kentucky is actively pursuing making it compatible
with all the different versions.</FONT></DIV>
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face="Comic Sans MS" size=5></FONT> </P>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Comic Sans MS"
face="Comic Sans MS" size=5>"As far as the comment that it would not be
suitable for pattern because it’s only 256 resolution, I think that the
resolution of the thumbs resting on the sticks is even lower than that,
certainly in my age group. When I was working and still playing an
occasional round of golf, I had a co-worker that was buying a new set of golf
clubs after just taking up the game. He shopped around, looking at
different brands of golf clubs and one day he showed me a brochure of his
final choice for a new set of clubs. The brochure claimed that their
clubs were dynamically balanced, harmonically tuned, perfectly fitted, etc.
and I told him that I would never buy those clubs because it would reinforce
the fact that I just suck at the game of golf every time I hit a bad shot,
which was fairly often.</FONT></DIV>
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face="Comic Sans MS" size=5></FONT> </P>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 16px Comic Sans MS"
face="Comic Sans MS" size=5>Curt</FONT></DIV>
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face="Comic Sans MS" size=5></FONT> </P>
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<DIV>On Dec 22, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Ron Van Putte wrote:</DIV><BR
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Yes, I remember now. My local R/C electronic
techie raved about your MicroStar encoder.
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>On Dec 22, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Gordon Anderson wrote:</DIV><BR
class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921550117-22122007><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>Ron,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921550117-22122007><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921550117-22122007><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>There is a Yahoo email list and a good
size group of subscribers, <A
href="mailto:MP8K@yahoogroups.com">MP8K@yahoogroups.com</A>. A fellow
named Dan Thompson has has the MicroPro source code and has developed a
few upgrades to the transmitter.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921550117-22122007><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>You can see my developments at <A
href="http://www.mstar2k.com">www.mstar2k.com</A>. I designed and built an
encoder that is similar to the MicroPro, I call it a MicroStar. Mine has
1024 resolution where the MicroPro is limited to 256. About 100 or so
MicroStars have been built, its a pretty small group of electronics geeks.
The Yahoo list caters to both groups.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921550117-22122007><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>I have also designed a receiver and a
few other items, all on my web site.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921550117-22122007><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=921550117-22122007><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>--Gordon</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ron Van Putte<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 22,
2007 8:30 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Futaba and pattern<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>I was talking with a local R/C electronic techie a couple of
days ago. He built one of the Micropro systems years ago and he still uses
it. Apparently there's a "support group" for these radios. There are
repair and service items and even new "stuff" is available from a few
sources via a url that I could find out, but didn't at the time.
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<DIV>Ron</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>On Dec 22, 2007, at 8:16 AM, John Ferrell wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>FWIW, I am with you all the way on this
issue. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is unfortunate that the Micropro was
killed in its infancy. The auto trim feature seems like a no brainer to
me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The rubber duck antenna was handy as well.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the legal aspects would permit it I
believe it might be practical to build a MicroPro type radio with Futaba
and/or JR RF modules.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another neat feature it had was that you
only needed to transmit the channels you were using. I cannot remember
if that permitted a higher update rate for the servos.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you learn to plow
<BR>around the stumps"<BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV>
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<A title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob
Richards</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 21, 2007
5:56 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Futaba and pattern</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ok, my 2CW.</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>I really like the idea of the USB connector. Hmmm, not a new
idea, really, I could do that with my Ace Micropro back in 1992. Could
save all the airplane programs onto computer disk via a serial port.
Could pull up the program information on the computer and edit the
values (although it was not a GUI interface, it was still nice).</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Another thing would be program independent buddy box capability.
In other words, the slave transmitter need only to send the stick
positions to the master radio. That information would then be applied
to the program in the master radio. No need to make sure the slave and
master radios are operating with the same program. Hmmm, again, not
really a new idea, I could do that with the Micropro radio back in
1992. :-)</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Autotrim. Lets say you have just taken off with an airplane that
is out of trim. Instead of fumbling around for multiple trim levers
(or buttons) you just press one button and keep flying the plane
straight and level. The autotrim function will apply trim changes
automatically to any of the the three flight channels so that the
sticks slowly move back to neutral. Again, the Micropro had that
feature.</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>I liked a lot of the features of the old Micropro radio, my big
complaint was that it was only 256 resolution. That alone was reason
not to use it in pattern.</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>As for the 2.4 ghz using the internal antenna connection, that is
not likely to happen on the old radios. I like the fact that I can
swap the module with a 72 mhz module and not have to fumble with
mounting an antenna with an external cable.</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>I have flown Futaba for over 20 years, and have had good service.
However, I wish there was better support/marketing in my area of the
country. We had a huge fly-in last year (Fly-for-Tots) with over 200
registered pilots. Horizon/JR sent lots of stuff, including sponsered
pilots to fly demos. Futaba did send a couple of flags and items for
the raffle, but it was a hugh disparity with what Horizon/JR did. I am
in a distinct minority in my club since most of the guys fly JR, so I
caught a lot of crap as a result.</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Just my 2CW.</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Bob R.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Derek Koopowitz <<A
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>Futaba is looking for some new product ideas for upcoming
equipment and they are interested in seeing what ideas we all have
for the pattern arena that could be new and inventive. This could be
anything from updating current equipment to new product development.
</DIV>
<DIV>If you could put some thoughts together in an email to me, I'll
make sure that they're sent to Futaba USA's attention. I'll need to
have this back no later than the end of the year!</DIV>
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