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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blue'>I dunno, but I guess I am for laughing at
that…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Pavlick<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December 18, 2007
7:30 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WC
'07</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Yeah, there are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who
understand binary and those who don't! Uh oh, that doesn't mean I'm a geek does
it?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>John Pavlick<br>
<a href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:tkeithblack@gmail.com" title="tkeithblack@gmail.com">Keith Black</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday, December
18, 2007 5:43 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] WC '07<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>LVN> "A maneuver may have more than one base
class."</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>KB> Oooh oooh, finally a usage for multiple inheritance.
Guess this won't be written in Java.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>If you don't understand this you're not geeky enough. Just
ignore it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Keith</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:patterndude@tx.rr.com" title="patterndude@tx.rr.com">Lance Van
Nostrand</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday, December
18, 2007 3:08 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] WC '07<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Mark,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Consider how to handle manuvers with options. I think
the easiest way is to treat all options as different manuvers in the database.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I would build the app to separate the database and rules
engine from the actual manuver description list. The cross index between the
app and the manuver descriptions is an index key. This allows the system
to expand to produce a list of manuver descriptions, aresti diagrams, calling
cards each as a different report output from the same app.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Your approach to annotate each manuver entry in the database
with attributes is a good one. I'd add a "type" attribute that
may be thought of as a base class. this would identify manuvers according
to their basic types: loops, rolls, humpty, half squares, stall turns. A
manuver may have more than one base class. This will improve the results
by letting you define a rule to prevent too many humpty turn arounds in the
same sequence, for example.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Let the target total KF be an input so you can produce
sequences for all levels</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>This is a fun application of real work skills.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>--Lance</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" title="atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">Mark Atwood</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, December
13, 2007 1:35 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] WC '07<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=1 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Verne,<br>
<br>
I often have staff that need a fake practice project to work on to learn a new
technology or the like, and I was thinking that a random Unknowns generator
would not be all that challenging and would provide the team some value.
I figure if I plan it now...might have a shot at having something useful
for ‘09 and maybe even for this summer’s Nats practice for Andy.<br>
<br>
Here’s the thought...All the manuevers from the catalog get loaded into a
database. Each is assigned a number of attribute... K-Factor,
Center/endbox, Entry Altitude, Exit Altitude, Entry orientation, Exit
Orientation, manuever class, etc etc etc. Then it’s simply a matter
of writing a rules engine...given the Entry Altitude, current K-factor, etc,
you query for a subset of maneuvers that meet the criteria, and select one
randomly. Of course there are additional checks...no more than X # of
K-5s, etc....no more than 1 from a given class...etc. But it’s VERY
VERY doable, and I think would make a great online Web app that I can host here
at work. People go to the web site...and BHAM...they print off a new
unknown...or 20. <br>
<br>
Interested??? I would need some help writing the specs.... And I
may contact FAI to see if there’s a soft copy of the manuevers so they
can be imported. Of course the follow up add on is something that auto
generates the Aresti...<br>
<br>
Thoughts?<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/21/07 6:04 PM, "Verne Koester" <verne@twmi.rr.com> wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Geez, Mark, I'm all a' flutter....<br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Truth is, I help Andrew because I enjoy it. I used to coach him a few
years back, but now he coaches me. We did spend a fair amount of time getting
ready but I enjoyed every minute of it. Andrew's a great kid from great parents
(where the credit REALLY belongs). What's not to like? <br>
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font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Thanks,<br>
Verne<br>
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font-family:Verdana'><br>
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----- Original Message ----- </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Verdana'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Mark Atwood <a
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com"><mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></a>
<br>
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
<br>
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 19, 2007
2:06 PM<br>
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WC
'07<br>
<br>
<br>
While I want to congratulate Quique, Jason and Andrew over and over and
over again...I feel remiss that there’s been little mention of
their callers. I don’t know who called for Quique or Jason, But I
know the Verne Koester was Andrew’s caller and he put in such an
incredible amount of time helping him prepare that it seems negligent not
to include him in the hoopla. <br>
<br>
I knew Verne would be the first to defer all of the glory for Andrew, but
for those that know how hard these two have worked for this
opportunity.... Twice daily practice routine, Verne creating new Unknowns
every day, hours and hours of critique, all in a very selfless effort to
take a gifted set of thumbs to the next level...well, you have to step
back and give a few claps for Verne as well.<br>
<br>
I’m extremely proud of Andrew...someone that I’ve had the
privilege of helping through the pattern ranks. But I also have
huge respect and congrats to Verne for the effort he made (along with a
myriad of other supporters) to help him get there. <br>
<br>
I KNOW that Jason and Quique have their own “Verne” to thank and I
hope someone jumps on here and lets us all know who they are, so that we
can show them equal appreciation for their efforts.<br>
<br>
-Mark<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/19/07 1:19 PM, "Earl Haury" <ejhaury@comcast.net>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Made it home from <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Argentina</st1:place></st1:country-region> this morning, a bit tired
from a long drive yesterday, a long wait at the airport, and a long nite
on the airplane. The WC was completely worth the effort. The posts so far
do not begin to describe the huge amount of work, the superb flying, and
awesome accomplishment of Team <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>!<br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>The Team spent huge amounts of time at the practice field flying
in conditions (wind, sun, dark, cold) most wouldn't even try. Each flight
was generally critiqued by a number of Team members & supporters as
these guys worked together to eliminate every possible flaw. There was
total focus and commitment within and for the Team. Team Manager Al Glenn
took care of administrative details - including leaving the hotel around
5:00am to ensure transmitters were impounded on time, handling
"information just in time" logistics and essentially doing
everything but sleeping. (Don't give him too much grief when the photos
of him sleeping at the banquet publish.)<br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>The conditions during the prelims were extremely difficult. Cross
winds in or out each day that approached 30mph at times. It was amazing
how many "unknown" folks flew exceptionally well and that all
of the "know" folks flew even better. Not only were these guys
flying in strong wind - but it was usually quite cold in the morning
sessions as well. The semi's and finals were also windy - but not as bad
and it got warmer, downright hot for the finals. <br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Bad luck and a great performance by BPLR prevented Team <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region> from
winning the Team Championship - BPLR flew one flight during the only calm
period (maybe half an hour) of the prelims and did a very good job of
capitalizing upon the opportunity. Jason was up next - but a delay to
allow for an airliner departure was long enough for the wind to return
before Jason flew. This was enough to swing the advantage to the French
and give them a well fought win - Team <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region> can be proud of second, it was
a hard fought battle with great flying on each side, with the Japanese
team always in the mix.<br>
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</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>All of the flying in the finals was exceptional. Quique was
consistently solid, Jason likewise (and winning his first WC round), and
Andrew flying superbly. In hindsight - it may be that the
"in-close" style Andrew flew to good advantage in the prelims /
semi's that may not have scored as well in the finals without the strong
crosswind. <br>
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</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>There were a lot of electrics (mostly Hacker) as well as glow
(mostly YS) and neither had an advantage / disadvantage in the strong
winds. Either propulsion is totally viable, Sebastiano even flew a Hacker
with contra-rotating props in the finals - good power and excellent
braking.<br>
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</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>The highlight of the experience occurred while standing next to
Quique when he was announced as the winner (he didn't know he'd won).
I'll remember his emotion forever - he really wanted this! <br>
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</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>So - second WC Team placing is good, every Team member making the
Finals is outstanding, everyone in the top 8 is exceptional, and a USA
Team member winning the World Championship is more than great! The
accomplishments of 2007 Team <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
are HUGE!! Congratulations to Quique, Jason, and Andrew - we couldn't be
more proud or appreciative of your accomplishments!! Thanks to the
callers who worked as hard as the pilots, the TM's that handled
logistics, and everyone who contribute to an exceptional performance by
Team <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>.<br>
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