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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hey Lance,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Keep in mind
that FIRST pass it being designed to address F3A which has very specific rules
for creating an unknown. There are no maneuvers with options. Each
option in the FAI catalog is a unique maneuver and they’re already separated
by maneuver groupings with rules for how many maneuvers can be chosen from each
group. It’s not a completely random system…it’s
actually pretty rigid.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>As for the
technical approach, I’ll be using server side objects to create the
available data sets for each selection based on attributes of the preceding
maneuver and the remaining available maneuver groups and K-factor
limitations. Version 1 will have almost no UI…maybe a big red “GO”
button that creates a maneuver listing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-M<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lance Van
Nostrand<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 18, 2007 4:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WC '07<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Mark,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Consider
how to handle manuvers with options. I think the easiest way is to treat
all options as different manuvers in the database.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
would build the app to separate the database and rules engine from the actual
manuver description list. The cross index between the app and the manuver
descriptions is an index key. This allows the system to expand to produce
a list of manuver descriptions, aresti diagrams, calling cards each as a different
report output from the same app.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Your
approach to annotate each manuver entry in the database with attributes is a
good one. I'd add a "type" attribute that may be thought of as
a base class. this would identify manuvers according to their basic types:
loops, rolls, humpty, half squares, stall turns. A manuver may have more
than one base class. This will improve the results by letting you define
a rule to prevent too many humpty turn arounds in the same sequence, for
example.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Let
the target total KF be an input so you can produce sequences for all levels</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>This
is a fun application of real work skills.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>--Lance</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com"
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Thursday, December
13, 2007 1:35 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] WC '07<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Verne,<br>
<br>
I often have staff that need a fake practice project to work on to learn a new
technology or the like, and I was thinking that a random Unknowns generator
would not be all that challenging and would provide the team some value.
I figure if I plan it now...might have a shot at having something useful
for ‘09 and maybe even for this summer’s Nats practice for Andy.<br>
<br>
Here’s the thought...All the manuevers from the catalog get loaded into a
database. Each is assigned a number of attribute... K-Factor,
Center/endbox, Entry Altitude, Exit Altitude, Entry orientation, Exit
Orientation, manuever class, etc etc etc. Then it’s simply a matter
of writing a rules engine...given the Entry Altitude, current K-factor, etc,
you query for a subset of maneuvers that meet the criteria, and select one
randomly. Of course there are additional checks...no more than X # of
K-5s, etc....no more than 1 from a given class...etc. But it’s VERY
VERY doable, and I think would make a great online Web app that I can host here
at work. People go to the web site...and BHAM...they print off a new
unknown...or 20. <br>
<br>
Interested??? I would need some help writing the specs.... And I
may contact FAI to see if there’s a soft copy of the manuevers so they
can be imported. Of course the follow up add on is something that auto
generates the Aresti...<br>
<br>
Thoughts?<br>
<br>
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On 11/21/07 6:04 PM, "Verne Koester" <verne@twmi.rr.com> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Geez,
Mark, I'm all a' flutter....<br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Truth is,
I help Andrew because I enjoy it. I used to coach him a few years back, but now
he coaches me. We did spend a fair amount of time getting ready but I enjoyed
every minute of it. Andrew's a great kid from great parents (where the credit
REALLY belongs). What's not to like? <br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks,<br>
Verne<br>
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<b>From:</b> Mark Atwood <a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com"><mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></a>
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<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Mailing List <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
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<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 19, 2007 2:06 PM<br>
<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WC '07<br>
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<br>
While I want to congratulate Quique, Jason and Andrew over and over and
over again...I feel remiss that there’s been little mention of
their callers. I don’t know who called for Quique or Jason, But I
know the Verne Koester was Andrew’s caller and he put in such an
incredible amount of time helping him prepare that it seems negligent not
to include him in the hoopla. <br>
<br>
I knew Verne would be the first to defer all of the glory for Andrew, but
for those that know how hard these two have worked for this
opportunity.... Twice daily practice routine, Verne creating new Unknowns
every day, hours and hours of critique, all in a very selfless effort to
take a gifted set of thumbs to the next level...well, you have to step
back and give a few claps for Verne as well.<br>
<br>
I’m extremely proud of Andrew...someone that I’ve had the
privilege of helping through the pattern ranks. But I also have
huge respect and congrats to Verne for the effort he made (along with a
myriad of other supporters) to help him get there. <br>
<br>
I KNOW that Jason and Quique have their own “Verne” to thank and I
hope someone jumps on here and lets us all know who they are, so that we
can show them equal appreciation for their efforts.<br>
<br>
-Mark<br>
<br>
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On 11/19/07 1:19 PM, "Earl Haury" <ejhaury@comcast.net>
wrote:<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Made
it home from Argentina this morning, a bit tired from a long drive
yesterday, a long wait at the airport, and a long nite on the airplane.
The WC was completely worth the effort. The posts so far do not begin to
describe the huge amount of work, the superb flying, and awesome
accomplishment of Team USA!<br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The Team
spent huge amounts of time at the practice field flying in conditions
(wind, sun, dark, cold) most wouldn't even try. Each flight was generally
critiqued by a number of Team members & supporters as these guys
worked together to eliminate every possible flaw. There was total focus
and commitment within and for the Team. Team Manager Al Glenn took care
of administrative details - including leaving the hotel around 5:00am to
ensure transmitters were impounded on time, handling "information just in
time" logistics and essentially doing everything but sleeping.
(Don't give him too much grief when the photos of him sleeping at the
banquet publish.)<br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
conditions during the prelims were extremely difficult. Cross winds in or
out each day that approached 30mph at times. It was amazing how many
"unknown" folks flew exceptionally well and that all of the
"know" folks flew even better. Not only were these guys flying
in strong wind - but it was usually quite cold in the morning sessions as
well. The semi's and finals were also windy - but not as bad and it got
warmer, downright hot for the finals. <br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Bad luck
and a great performance by BPLR prevented Team USA from winning the Team
Championship - BPLR flew one flight during the only calm period (maybe
half an hour) of the prelims and did a very good job of capitalizing upon
the opportunity. Jason was up next - but a delay to allow for an airliner
departure was long enough for the wind to return before Jason flew. This
was enough to swing the advantage to the French and give them a well
fought win - Team USA can be proud of second, it was a hard fought battle
with great flying on each side, with the Japanese team always in the
mix.<br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>All of
the flying in the finals was exceptional. Quique was consistently solid,
Jason likewise (and winning his first WC round), and Andrew flying
superbly. In hindsight - it may be that the "in-close" style
Andrew flew to good advantage in the prelims / semi's that may not have
scored as well in the finals without the strong crosswind. <br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>There
were a lot of electrics (mostly Hacker) as well as glow (mostly YS) and
neither had an advantage / disadvantage in the strong winds. Either
propulsion is totally viable, Sebastiano even flew a Hacker with
contra-rotating props in the finals - good power and excellent braking.<br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
highlight of the experience occurred while standing next to Quique when
he was announced as the winner (he didn't know he'd won). I'll remember
his emotion forever - he really wanted this! <br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So -
second WC Team placing is good, every Team member making the Finals is
outstanding, everyone in the top 8 is exceptional, and a USA Team member
winning the World Championship is more than great! The accomplishments of
2007 Team USA are HUGE!! Congratulations to Quique, Jason, and Andrew -
we couldn't be more proud or appreciative of your accomplishments!!
Thanks to the callers who worked as hard as the pilots, the TM's
that handled logistics, and everyone who contribute to an exceptional
performance by Team USA.<br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Earl<br>
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