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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Am I to gather by this that we can't have a little
fun on the list with something other than Pattern? I realize Pattern is
what the list is designed for, but to be negative about a little sidetrack, just
for fun, solidifies the ol' "Pattern pilots are a bunch of stuck up sons o'
guns".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We don't need to go there, do we?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lightfoot@sc.rr.com href="mailto:lightfoot@sc.rr.com">Jay
Marshall</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=trklaus@bresnan.net
href="mailto:trklaus@bresnan.net">trklaus@bresnan.net</A> ; <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 14, 2007 7:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment
Job.......was: Re: Off topic</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Damn
little……</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: 'Brush Script MT'">Jay
</SPAN></FONT></I></B><B><I><FONT face="Brush Script MT" color=navy
size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: 'Brush Script MT'">Marshall</SPAN></FONT></I></B><FONT
color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"> </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
[mailto:</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B><A
href="mailto:trklaus@bresnan.net">trklaus@bresnan.net</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, December 14, 2007 8:12
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">NSRCA
Mailing List</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment
Job.......was: Re: Off topic</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Not to be a grouch ( I am a
retired musician) but what does this post ( and the musician post) have to do
with pattern? </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=tretas513@yahoo.com href="mailto:tretas513@yahoo.com">Tommy
Scarmardo</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Friday, December 14,
2007</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1:11
PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off
topic</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hey George,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm innocent man , I'm a red neck,
played in a country band for over</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">30 years. Don't think about how much
those guitars would be worth</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">today, all it'll do is piss you off
!!!<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">"george
w. kennie" <<A
href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">geobet@gis.net</A>></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Speaking of the
Strat, a long ago boyfriend of my Daughter's left a 60's vintage Strat at
my house for a few months (this was back in the 70's) and every now and
again I would pull it out and play it and after a while I discovered that
I didn't like the action. Never could figure out what all the raves were
about. I had a Birdland and wasn't all that cranked up over that either,
but it was valuable. I traded it for a second hand Fender Rhodes keyboard
which I ended up giving away. Lost a bundle on that fiasco.Speaking of
Classicals and Electrics I currently own 2 electrified cutaway Classicals
(I love the </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cordoba</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">) and
I dont play classical, I play Jazzzzz !!!! Yeahhh !! "20's to 80's
Standards. The stuff you guys are talking about AIN'T music. It's some
kind of unregulated noise (now you know how old I am ). Even the
lyrics don't rhyme. Where's the artistry in that??? [ <EM><I><FONT
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That ought to start some kind
of war ]</SPAN></FONT></I></EM></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><EM><I><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">G.</SPAN></FONT></I></EM></P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original
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<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=tretas513@yahoo.com href="mailto:tretas513@yahoo.com">Tommy
Scarmardo</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thursday, December 13,
2007</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4:38
PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off
topic</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Please don't
remind me of guitars I've owned over the years and
should</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">have
kept....'57 Tele with maple neck, '67 and '69 Stratacasters, '70
Jazzmaster,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">'79 25/50
anniversary Les Paul, etc, etc.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Enough money
there to retire on. I saw a '67 Strat for sale at Rockin'
Robins</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">for
$49,000 !!!<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">"george w. kennie" <<A
href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">geobet@gis.net</A>></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That 335 is
worth a fortune today.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-----
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=dwaynenancy@suddenlink.net
href="mailto:dwaynenancy@suddenlink.net">Dwayne Brown</A>
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing
List'</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thursday, December 13,
2007</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">11:51
AM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off
topic</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m gonna
listen to my ES335 thru my Princeton amp I bought in 1964 then maybe
I’ll plug into my Fender Dual Reverb with my PRS or my Les Paul Jr I
bought in 1957. Tone!!! Dwayne</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>wgalligan<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Thursday, December 13,
2007</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">10:17
AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off
topic</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Once
again... Gray bends the envelope on his vast infinite wealth of
useful knowledge.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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but then again I am no longer young.....</SPAN></FONT>
<BR><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As an ex muscian I
have recorded about 25 original songs and the interesting thing is
that my recording time frame spans the cross over of analog to
digital, that is 1985 to about 1995.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Led Zeps "Whole Lotta
Love" is not record groove bleed over, but is called tape print
through. That's where a freshly recorded magnetic impression
transfers through the back side of the tape onto a place it does
not belong-one reel revolution. To alleviate this tapes are to be
stored "tails out" which the recording engineer obviously forgot
to do...in 1969. So that has to be the coolest recording accident
of all time. </SPAN></FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have known many home
listening "audiophiles" in my life, some I would call friends. I
was always amazed at the money that they spent on their home
systems that was at times more than what it would cost to put in a
"studio" system. As a professional musician and a professional
sound man, the entire idea of recording in a studio was to make
your guitar or the drums sound like YOUR guitar, or your drums.
When I stood in front of my </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> tube amp cranked up
to 11, I wanted that sound on my final product-be it a record or
digital recording. (Pehaps I will discuss guitar tube amps and the
reason for their existence at a later date). I cannot begin to
explain how difficult that task actually is. I will say it is much
easier now days.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Analog
recoding studios really sounded good. 2" wide 24 track tape
spinning at 30 inches per second. That is what it took to keep the
tape noise level low and to get the most accurate reproduction AND
each machine and tape brand had to be calibrated before each
recording session to ensure accuracy. Remember, what you are
listening to is what the muscian wants you to hear, so audiophiles
and listeners do not even get a vote yet on sound
quality.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The 2" tape 24 track
"Master"changed my guitar sound a bit. Then that was mixed
down to stereo 1/2 track 1/4" tape format called "Half Track
Master". That change my guitar sound a bit more, but still okay.
The Half Track Master then is sent to a pressing plant to make the
actual vinyl record. First you had to find a pay an expert
"Master-er" to get to vinyl. This guy held you and your recording
by the Nards. Why? Because analog vinyl technolgy was so screwed
up. The Half track master that sounded great in the recording
studio had to be Re-equalized by this record master-er to
compensate for his equipment and how he knew it would change your
recording-that you just spent $5000 on. It also had to be
compressed (musically not like MP3-more later) so it would not
violate groove and needle physical capabilities. If the Master-man
sucked or did not care, so did your record. If you were a big time
rock star (I was not), then you could hire Bob Ludwig, and he
would make 5-6 wax pressings so the musician could hear what he
changed and choose what they liked best. Me I had to take what I
could get. In reality very few muscians ever approved of their
vinyl recordings because they sounded so different from what they
put down in the studio.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Yet
old audiophiles with their Harmonically distorted tube amps and
super crappy damping factors, needles that once again change the
sound and wear the grooves down, changing the sound, and worst of
all "colored" speakers tailored so any fool got a decent balance
of bass and highs, claim superiority-calling this
"warmth".</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Digital Mixers, with
digital recording and digital media by far produce the truest
reproduction of what the muscian intended. What I discovered when
I recorded digital was that what used to sound "full-warm" was in
fact much less accurate. The "full-warm" sound that was missing
was harmonic crap that filled up the spaces in the mix. What you
could then do with digital is add more musical parts to fill the
gaps and you could hear all the detail. Listen to Led Zep
records, then listen to a Led Zep CD which was taken straight from
the Half Track stereo master. One thing that you will notice right
away on CD is how much reverb is present on the CD that you cannot
hear on a vinyl record. I used to think as I bought CDS that the
CD has reverb added on top of the original recording. Not so, it
is just that it is 2X louder because the vinyl cannot reproduce
such a subtle sound.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Digital
compression like MP3 .....is DATA compression that is uncompressed
before it becomes ear capable analog. Records "Squashed"
compressed music volume for needle physical reasons, Radio uses
"infinite" volume compression-to appear louder than other stations
and to keep from violating broadcast bandwidth-even worse....but
hey, my brother thinks radio sounds great...he must be an
audiophile..... </SPAN></FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also...On
Monday I am going back to the recording studio..first time in 12
years. I am making the studio pull out and dust off their antique
1/2 track analog machine (an the studio had to calibrate it-as
usual). I have about 10-11 songs that were mastered a on 1/2 track
tape and guess what..I and going to burn some digital copies. My
first album was so F-up by the vinyl record that I look
forward to hearing what I actually recorded in
1985......</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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Pattern dudes........ <BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal
Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical
Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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a tube amp is desireable to most people, it is, in fact, a type of
distortion. <BR> <BR>I have a collection of vinyl, but
prefer to use CDs. Kinda hard to keep the needle from skipping
while driving to work. :-) <BR> <BR>Remember the one Led
Zepplin song where the adjacent grooves "bled" over when the album
was pressed? Never would have happened with digital. ;-)
<BR> <BR>Bob R. <BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
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<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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still MUCH better than any CD. Also one must have tubes for the
warmth that transistors can never match.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT
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