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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Not to be a grouch ( I am a retired musician) but
what does this post ( and the musician post) have to do with pattern?
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<A title=tretas513@yahoo.com href="mailto:tretas513@yahoo.com">Tommy
Scarmardo</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 14, 2007 1:11
PM</DIV>
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Job.......was: Re: Off topic</DIV>
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<DIV>Hey George,</DIV>
<DIV>I'm innocent man , I'm a red neck, played in a country band for
over</DIV>
<DIV>30 years. Don't think about how much those guitars would be worth</DIV>
<DIV>today, all it'll do is piss you off !!!<BR><BR><B><I>"george w. kennie"
<<A href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">geobet@gis.net</A>></I></B>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Speaking of the Strat, a long ago boyfriend of
my Daughter's left a 60's vintage Strat at my house for a few months (this
was back in the 70's) and every now and again I would pull it out and play
it and after a while I discovered that I didn't like the action. Never could
figure out what all the raves were about. I had a Birdland and wasn't all
that cranked up over that either, but it was valuable. I traded it for a
second hand Fender Rhodes keyboard which I ended up giving away. Lost a
bundle on that fiasco.Speaking of Classicals and Electrics I currently own 2
electrified cutaway Classicals (I love the Cordoba) and I dont play
classical, I play Jazzzzz !!!! Yeahhh !! "20's to 80's Standards. The stuff
you guys are talking about AIN'T music. It's some kind of unregulated noise
(now you know how old I am ). Even the lyrics don't rhyme. Where's the
artistry in that??? [ <EM>That ought to start some kind of war
]</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial size=2>G.</FONT></EM></DIV>
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Scarmardo</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007
4:38 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off topic</DIV>
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<DIV>Please don't remind me of guitars I've owned over the years and
should</DIV>
<DIV>have kept....'57 Tele with maple neck, '67 and '69 Stratacasters, '70
Jazzmaster,</DIV>
<DIV>'79 25/50 anniversary Les Paul, etc, etc.</DIV>
<DIV>Enough money there to retire on. I saw a '67 Strat for sale at
Rockin' Robins</DIV>
<DIV>for $49,000 !!!<BR><BR><B><I>"george w. kennie" <<A
href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">geobet@gis.net</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That 335 is worth a fortune
today.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007
11:51 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m gonna
listen to my ES335 thru my Princeton amp I bought in 1964 then maybe
I’ll plug into my Fender Dual Reverb with my PRS or my Les Paul Jr I
bought in 1957. Tone!!! Dwayne</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
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</SPAN></B>wgalligan<BR><B><SPAN
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10:17 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA
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Gray bends the envelope on his vast infinite wealth of useful
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for
that audio bit of brain food.... now back to my $99.00 12 Gauge
practice amp. (Wishing that I had a full blown tube amp
from the 70's)</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">I have
tried to stay out of this as it could become old guy vs young guy,
but then again I am no longer young.....</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">As an ex muscian I
have recorded about 25 original songs and the interesting thing is
that my recording time frame spans the cross over of analog to
digital, that is 1985 to about 1995.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Led Zeps "Whole
Lotta Love" is not record groove bleed over, but is called tape
print through. That's where a freshly recorded magnetic impression
transfers through the back side of the tape onto a place it does not
belong-one reel revolution. To alleviate this tapes are to be stored
"tails out" which the recording engineer obviously forgot to do...in
1969. So that has to be the coolest recording accident of all time.
</SPAN></FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">I have known many
home listening "audiophiles" in my life, some I would call friends.
I was always amazed at the money that they spent on their home
systems that was at times more than what it would cost to put in a
"studio" system. As a professional musician and a professional sound
man, the entire idea of recording in a studio was to make your
guitar or the drums sound like YOUR guitar, or your drums. When I
stood in front of my Marshall tube amp cranked up to 11, I wanted
that sound on my final product-be it a record or digital recording.
(Pehaps I will discuss guitar tube amps and the reason for their
existence at a later date). I cannot begin to explain how difficult
that task actually is. I will say it is much easier now
days.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Analog recoding
studios really sounded good. 2" wide 24 track tape spinning at 30
inches per second. That is what it took to keep the tape noise level
low and to get the most accurate reproduction AND each machine and
tape brand had to be calibrated before each recording session to
ensure accuracy. Remember, what you are listening to is what the
muscian wants you to hear, so audiophiles and listeners do not even
get a vote yet on sound quality.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">The 2" tape 24
track "Master"changed my guitar sound a bit. Then that was
mixed down to stereo 1/2 track 1/4" tape format called "Half Track
Master". That change my guitar sound a bit more, but still okay. The
Half Track Master then is sent to a pressing plant to make the
actual vinyl record. First you had to find a pay an expert
"Master-er" to get to vinyl. This guy held you and your recording by
the Nards. Why? Because analog vinyl technolgy was so screwed up.
The Half track master that sounded great in the recording studio had
to be Re-equalized by this record master-er to compensate for his
equipment and how he knew it would change your recording-that you
just spent $5000 on. It also had to be compressed (musically not
like MP3-more later) so it would not violate groove and needle
physical capabilities. If the Master-man sucked or did not care, so
did your record. If you were a big time rock star (I was not), then
you could hire Bob Ludwig, and he would make 5-6 wax pressings so
the musician could hear what he changed and choose what they liked
best. Me I had to take what I could get. In reality very few
muscians ever approved of their vinyl recordings because they
sounded so different from what they put down in the
studio.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"> Yet old
audiophiles with their Harmonically distorted tube amps and super
crappy damping factors, needles that once again change the sound and
wear the grooves down, changing the sound, and worst of all
"colored" speakers tailored so any fool got a decent balance of bass
and highs, claim superiority-calling this "warmth".</SPAN></FONT>
<BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Digital Mixers,
with digital recording and digital media by far produce the truest
reproduction of what the muscian intended. What I discovered when I
recorded digital was that what used to sound "full-warm" was in fact
much less accurate. The "full-warm" sound that was missing was
harmonic crap that filled up the spaces in the mix. What you could
then do with digital is add more musical parts to fill the gaps and
you could hear all the detail. Listen to Led Zep records, then
listen to a Led Zep CD which was taken straight from the Half Track
stereo master. One thing that you will notice right away on CD is
how much reverb is present on the CD that you cannot hear on a vinyl
record. I used to think as I bought CDS that the CD has reverb added
on top of the original recording. Not so, it is just that it is 2X
louder because the vinyl cannot reproduce such a subtle
sound.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Digital compression
like MP3 .....is DATA compression that is uncompressed before it
becomes ear capable analog. Records "Squashed" compressed music
volume for needle physical reasons, Radio uses "infinite" volume
compression-to appear louder than other stations and to keep from
violating broadcast bandwidth-even worse....but hey, my brother
thinks radio sounds great...he must be an audiophile.....
</SPAN></FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Also...On Monday I
am going back to the recording studio..first time in 12 years. I am
making the studio pull out and dust off their antique 1/2 track
analog machine (an the studio had to calibrate it-as usual). I have
about 10-11 songs that were mastered a on 1/2 track tape and guess
what..I and going to burn some digital copies. My first album was so
F-up by the vinyl record that I look forward to hearing what I
actually recorded in 1985......</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Merry Christmas
Pattern dudes........ <BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal
Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical
Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><BR>IMHO, although the "warmth" of a
tube amp is desireable to most people, it is, in fact, a type of
distortion. <BR> <BR>I have a collection of vinyl, but prefer
to use CDs. Kinda hard to keep the needle from skipping while
driving to work. :-) <BR> <BR>Remember the one Led Zepplin
song where the adjacent grooves "bled" over when the album was
pressed? Never would have happened with digital. ;-) <BR>
<BR>Bob R. <BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic"><BR>twtaylor
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<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You’ve
obviously never heard a good system then Matt.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT>
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<BR><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Vinyl is
still MUCH better than any CD. Also one must have tubes for the
warmth that transistors can never match.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT
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