<div>Hi Mark,</div> <div>I am still debating that. The Integral's rudder is even fatter than the Olympian rudder, so it would be easier to do. Would save cost on the rudder servo, avoid the whole pull-pull system, and save weight and battery draw. I flew that setup for almost ten years and replaced servo gears only once.</div> <div> </div> <div>John<BR><BR><B><I>Mark Atwood <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Am I the only one on this list working very hard NOT to run with the “More than a friend” comment??? Lol...<BR><BR>My question is whether you plan to imbed your rudder servo in the rudder again! That was cool...<BR><BR>-M<BR><BR><BR>On 12/13/07 9:56 AM, "Gerald Gallagher" <ggall@bellsouth.net> wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12px"><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial>John are you from the KC Mo. area & know Charlie Reed? IN fact I think you were more than a friend of Charlie's. <BR></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR> <BR><I>Jerry Gallagher<BR></I><BR> <BR></FONT></SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR> <BR></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</A> <B>On Behalf Of </B>John Ford<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:17 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo wire and battery questions<BR><BR></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>Ed, Troy, Emory,<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Thanks very much for your help. I will go in that
direction.<BR> <BR>Ed, I will look for your website, and discuss the reduncdant regulator off-line.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Regards,<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>John<BR> <BR><BR><BR><B><I>Ed Alt <ed_alt@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR> <BR></FONT></SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <BR> <BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><FONT color=#000080><FONT size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">John:<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN><FONT color=#000080><FONT size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">You should not need any kind of signal buffer. The main problem with long leads is excessive voltage drop due to higher resistance if the wire gauge is too light. Just use 22AWG and also avoid any tin plated connectors and you should be fine. Braided wire can be helpful, but isn’t really necessary
most of the time. <BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN><FONT color=#000080><FONT size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Re. the use of either Lithium Ion or Lithium Polymer batteries, yes, you need a regulator. The Jaccio works really well. I also make regulators that are adjustable and fill a niche if you have a need for redundant batteries and want some additional flexibility in the setup. Either solution can work. And you are correct that a 480 mAh pack isn’t a lot of capacity, however with a good LiPo, there ability to deliver current on demand is more than adequate. Capacity for some number of flights is the bigger question. <BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN><FONT color=#000080><FONT size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">The electric powered pattern models use a very
small amount of current in flight because of the virtual elimination of vibration from the power plant, so you will see guys going all weekend with a pair of 2S480 packs. I still fly glow and use a pair of 730mAh packs.<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN><FONT color=#000080><FONT size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">Ed<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</A> <B>On Behalf Of </B>John Ford<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:10 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Servo wire and battery questions<BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12px"><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">Hi all,<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">Return-to-pattern after a long time questions...<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">Question #1<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">I used to use JR servo amplifiers on servos to eliminate noise and ensure strong signal over a long servo lead, especially to the back of the plane. Few of these, if
any, are available commercially now, so I assume that there is little need for them any more? (Was never convinced they served a purpose to begin with, but I had never built a plane without them, and never had a problem)<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">I will be using JR 955 RX and digital servos. <BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">Maybe as simple an answer as "never an issue, regardless of servo wire length".<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">Maybe I should twist my
wires?<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">Question #2<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">I used to use nothing other than large SR nicads for the flight pack, usually 1100mAh.<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">I notice that folks are now using Thunder Power Li-Po batteries, some as small as 480mAh, and several around 800mAh. Doesn't seem to be much capacity to run six digitals.<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica,
Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">I assume there is a Jaccio regulator to cut it down to 5V or so. Are Li-Pos reliable enough that only one cell is used, or are some folks using a SmartFly dual battery regulator that ignores one battery if it should fail?<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">I appreciate any calibration on what the "standard" setup might be. <BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=5><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">Thanks,<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
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