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<DIV><SPAN class=617350305-14122007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I am
in Florida now. Good luck to you. I remember you were, or are are a good
flyer.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Jerry
Gallagher</I><o:p></o:p></P>
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John
Ford<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo wire and battery
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<DIV>Yes Jerry,</DIV>
<DIV>Charlie pretty much taught me everything I know (or knew) about pattern,
although there were a half-dozen of us in KC that horse-raced the pattern
circuit in the mid-90's under Charlie's watchful eye.</DIV>
<DIV>Are you still in this area? If so, I'll run into you next season.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>John</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Gerald Gallagher <ggall@bellsouth.net></I></B>
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size=2>John are you from the KC Mo. area & know Charlie Reed? IN fact I
think you were more than a friend of Charlie's. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John
Ford<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:17 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo wire
and battery questions<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Ed, Troy, Emory,</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks very much for your help. I will go in that direction.</DIV>
<DIV>Ed, I will look for your website, and discuss the reduncdant
regulator off-line.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>John</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Ed Alt <ed_alt@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You should not
need any kind of signal buffer. The main problem with long leads
is excessive voltage drop due to higher resistance if the wire gauge is
too light. Just use 22AWG and also avoid any tin plated connectors
and you should be fine. Braided wire can be helpful, but isn’t really
necessary most of the time. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Re. the use of
either Lithium Ion or Lithium Polymer batteries, yes, you need a
regulator. The Jaccio works really well. I also make
regulators that are adjustable and fill a niche if you have a need for
redundant batteries and want some additional flexibility in the setup.
Either solution can work. And you are correct that a 480 mAh
pack isn’t a lot of capacity, however with a good LiPo, there ability to
deliver current on demand is more than adequate. Capacity for some
number of flights is the bigger question. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The electric
powered pattern models use a very small amount of current in flight
because of the virtual elimination of vibration from the power plant, so
you will see guys going all weekend with a pair of 2S480 packs. I
still fly glow and use a pair of 730mAh packs.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>John Ford<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, December 12, 2007
11:10 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
[NSRCA-discussion] Servo wire and battery questions</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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all,</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Return-to-pattern after a long time
questions...</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Question #1</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I used to
use JR servo amplifiers on servos to eliminate noise and ensure strong
signal over a long servo lead, especially to the back of the plane.
Few of these, if any, are available commercially now, so I assume that
there is little need for them any more? (Was never convinced they served
a purpose to begin with, but I had never built a plane without them, and
never had a problem)</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I will be
using JR 955 RX and digital servos. </SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Maybe as
simple an answer as "never an issue, regardless of servo wire
length".</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Maybe I
should twist my wires?</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Question
#2</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I used to
use nothing other than large SR nicads for the flight pack, usually
1100mAh.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I notice
that folks are now using Thunder Power Li-Po batteries, some as
small as 480mAh, and several around 800mAh. Doesn't seem to
be much capacity to run six digitals.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I assume
there is a Jaccio regulator to cut it down to 5V or so. Are Li-Pos
reliable enough that only one cell is used, or are some folks using a
SmartFly dual battery regulator that ignores one battery if it should
fail?</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I
appreciate any calibration on what the "standard" setup might be.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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