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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Lol…..I’m tending towards
ridiculously crazy….not necessarily a bad thing!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hey John, does shooting pool and playing
cards add or detract from the nerd quotient?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ryan Smith<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 13, 2007
9:32 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Musicians (off topic)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blue'>Haha, you beat me to it, Dave.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blue'>Slipknot and Sepultura are easy to
understand as well. Or maybe I listen to stuff that really is ridiculously
crazy.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 13, 2007
9:11 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Musicians (off topic)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ummm….I think you both are
right…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ozzy singing is easy to understand.
Ozzy talking….that is an entirely different situation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Hester<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 13, 2007
6:07 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Musicians (off topic)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Ozzy is easy, try Slipknot or Sepultura....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com" title="jpavlick@idseng.com">John Pavlick</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, December
13, 2007 5:22 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Musicians (off topic)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Yeah, I agree. Besides, some of us ride bikes too. That classifies
us as musician/biker-trash/Pattern-nerds. WTF? I wonder if Homeland security
knows about us...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>John Pavlick<br>
<a href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>BTW - I can understand everything that Ozzy Osbourne says
too! </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com" title="gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E Fowler</a>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, December
13, 2007 4:40 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Tom</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I
think that it is important to note that your term "Pattern Nerd" is
not only highly offensive to the majority, but very applicable and accurate
also. I, and all the rest of us ex musicians can no way ever be termed a nerd,
simply because our past exploits are things that the true pattern nerds have
only read about in books.</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Also-we
need to make a decision here. If anyone knows the answer to this it would be
you. Which is Keith Urban's real accent, the "Aussie bloke"
style he uses in interviews or that "Tennesee twang" he sings with??
Personally I think they are both fake.</span></font> <br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
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<br>
Gray Fowler<br>
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<br>
Radomes and Specialty Apertures<br>
Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>12/13/2007
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</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>You guys are starting to scare me!!</span></font>
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<font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>One of the reasons I have been very thin on the flying of late
is because I have 'returned' to custom building Basses....I have a constant
stream of 'musicians' in and out of my workshop on a daily basis ( after I
finish my 'real' job!)</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>Now I'm finding out that more and more of 'us' pattern nerds
are either still practicing musos or ex wanna be rockstars!</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:blue'>Yes I do have some genuine Rockstar customers...I will be
teaching a few to fly soon too! </span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off
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Gray Fowler<br>
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Radomes and Specialty Apertures<br>
Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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NICE Dwayne....</span></font> <br>
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Yes Gray lets hear it for the tube amp vs P/A amp. I wanna know.</span></font>
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WG</span></font> <br>
----- Original Message ----- <b><span style='font-weight:bold'><br>
From:</span></b> <a href="mailto:dwaynenancy@suddenlink.net">Dwayne Brown</a> <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'><br>
To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing
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Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:51 AM <b><span
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Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off
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I’m gonna listen to my ES335 thru my Princeton amp I bought in 1964 then
maybe I’ll plug into my Fender Dual Reverb with my PRS or my Les Paul Jr
I bought in 1957. Tone!!! Dwayne</span></font> <br>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></font></a><font
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Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:17 AM<b><span style='font-weight:
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Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off
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Once again... Gray bends the envelope on his vast infinite wealth of useful
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Thanks for that audio bit of brain food.... now back to my $99.00 12 Gauge
practice amp. (Wishing that I had a full blown tube amp from the
70's)</span></font> <br>
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WG...</span></font> <br>
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Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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I have tried to stay out of this as it could become old guy vs young guy, but
then again I am no longer young.....</span></font> <font size=2 face=Arial><span
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As an ex muscian I have recorded about 25 original songs and the interesting
thing is that my recording time frame spans the cross over of analog to
digital, that is 1985 to about 1995.</span></font> <font size=2 face=Arial><span
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Led Zeps "Whole Lotta Love" is not record groove bleed over, but is
called tape print through. That's where a freshly recorded magnetic impression
transfers through the back side of the tape onto a place it does not belong-one
reel revolution. To alleviate this tapes are to be stored "tails out"
which the recording engineer obviously forgot to do...in 1969. So that has to
be the coolest recording accident of all time. <br>
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I have known many home listening "audiophiles" in my life, some I
would call friends. I was always amazed at the money that they spent on their
home systems that was at times more than what it would cost to put in a
"studio" system. As a professional musician and a professional sound
man, the entire idea of recording in a studio was to make your guitar or the
drums sound like YOUR guitar, or your drums. When I stood in front of my <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Marshall</st1:City></st1:place> tube amp cranked
up to 11, I wanted that sound on my final product-be it a record or digital
recording. (Pehaps I will discuss guitar tube amps and the reason for their
existence at a later date). I cannot begin to explain how difficult that task
actually is. I will say it is much easier now days.</span></font> <font size=2
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Analog recoding studios really sounded good. 2" wide 24 track tape
spinning at 30 inches per second. That is what it took to keep the tape noise
level low and to get the most accurate reproduction AND each machine and tape
brand had to be calibrated before each recording session to ensure accuracy.
Remember, what you are listening to is what the muscian wants you to hear, so
audiophiles and listeners do not even get a vote yet on sound quality.</span></font>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
The 2" tape 24 track "Master"changed my guitar sound a
bit. Then that was mixed down to stereo 1/2 track 1/4" tape format called
"Half Track Master". That change my guitar sound a bit more, but
still okay. The Half Track Master then is sent to a pressing plant to make the
actual vinyl record. First you had to find a pay an expert
"Master-er" to get to vinyl. This guy held you and your recording by
the Nards. Why? Because analog vinyl technolgy was so screwed up. The Half
track master that sounded great in the recording studio had to be Re-equalized
by this record master-er to compensate for his equipment and how he knew it
would change your recording-that you just spent $5000 on. It also had to be
compressed (musically not like MP3-more later) so it would not violate groove
and needle physical capabilities. If the Master-man sucked or did not care, so
did your record. If you were a big time rock star (I was not), then you could
hire Bob Ludwig, and he would make 5-6 wax pressings so the musician could hear
what he changed and choose what they liked best. Me I had to take what I could
get. In reality very few muscians ever approved of their vinyl recordings
because they sounded so different from what they put down in the studio.</span></font>
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Yet old audiophiles with their Harmonically distorted tube amps and super
crappy damping factors, needles that once again change the sound and wear the
grooves down, changing the sound, and worst of all "colored" speakers
tailored so any fool got a decent balance of bass and highs, claim
superiority-calling this "warmth".</span></font> <font size=2
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Digital Mixers, with digital recording and digital media by far produce the
truest reproduction of what the muscian intended. What I discovered when I
recorded digital was that what used to sound "full-warm" was in fact
much less accurate. The "full-warm" sound that was missing was harmonic
crap that filled up the spaces in the mix. What you could then do with digital
is add more musical parts to fill the gaps and you could hear all the
detail. Listen to Led Zep records, then listen to a Led Zep CD which was taken
straight from the Half Track stereo master. One thing that you will notice
right away on CD is how much reverb is present on the CD that you cannot hear
on a vinyl record. I used to think as I bought CDS that the CD has reverb added
on top of the original recording. Not so, it is just that it is 2X louder
because the vinyl cannot reproduce such a subtle sound.</span></font> <font
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Digital compression like MP3 .....is DATA compression that is uncompressed
before it becomes ear capable analog. Records "Squashed" compressed
music volume for needle physical reasons, Radio uses "infinite"
volume compression-to appear louder than other stations and to keep from
violating broadcast bandwidth-even worse....but hey, my brother thinks radio
sounds great...he must be an audiophile..... <br>
<br>
Also...On Monday I am going back to the recording studio..first time in 12
years. I am making the studio pull out and dust off their antique 1/2 track
analog machine (an the studio had to calibrate it-as usual). I have about 10-11
songs that were mastered a on 1/2 track tape and guess what..I and going to
burn some digital copies. My first album was so F-up by the vinyl record
that I look forward to hearing what I actually recorded in 1985......</span></font>
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Merry Christmas Pattern dudes........ <br>
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<br>
Gray Fowler<br>
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<br>
Radomes and Specialty Apertures<br>
Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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IMHO, although the "warmth" of a tube amp is desireable to most people,
it is, in fact, a type of distortion. <br>
<br>
I have a collection of vinyl, but prefer to use CDs. Kinda hard to keep the
needle from skipping while driving to work. :-) <br>
<br>
Remember the one Led Zepplin song where the adjacent grooves "bled"
over when the album was pressed? Never would have happened with digital. ;-) <br>
<br>
Bob R. <b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'><br>
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twtaylor <twtaylor@ftc-i.net></span></i></b> wrote: </span></font><font
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You’ve obviously never heard a good system then Matt. </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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