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color=#0000ff size=2>OH dear! I see....oh boy I must be cool then...( at least
my 7 year old thinks so!!)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=292051422-13122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I have some seriously SCARY looking customers. Just the
other week my wife had the look of Horror in her face as 4 heavy Metal guys
showed up ( and I mean scary heavy metal!) But we had our cups of tea-and no
joke, after the appointment with me-they were off to visit a band members
Grandmother and do the housework for her. A lovely bunch of
guys!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Oh and Keith Urban....who's he??? Is he some American
Country star??? I think he falls into the ABBA category right now down
here...nuff said!</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gray E
Fowler<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 14 December 2007 8:40 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
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<DIV></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Tom</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>I think that it is important to note that your term
"Pattern Nerd" is not only highly offensive to the majority, but very applicable
and accurate also. I, and all the rest of us ex musicians can no way ever be
termed a nerd, simply because our past exploits are things that the true pattern
nerds have only read about in books.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>Also-we need to make a decision here. If anyone knows the answer to this
it would be you. Which is Keith Urban's real accent, the "Aussie bloke"
style he uses in interviews or that "Tennesee twang" he sings with?? Personally
I think they are both fake.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes
and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT> <BR><BR><BR>
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color=blue size=2>You guys are starting to scare me!!</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>One of the reasons I
have been very thin on the flying of late is because I have 'returned' to custom
building Basses....I have a constant stream of 'musicians' in and out of my
workshop on a daily basis ( after I finish my 'real' job!)</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>Now I'm finding out
that more and more of 'us' pattern nerds are either still practicing musos or ex
wanna be rockstars!</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=blue size=2>Yes I do have some genuine Rockstar customers...I will be
teaching a few to fly soon too! </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>What a bunch of guys you all
are!!!!</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>Tom</FONT> <BR>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gray E
Fowler<B><BR>Sent:</B> Friday, 14 December 2007 4:47 AM<B><BR>To:</B> NSRCA
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size=2><BR>Since you live near me you do not count....when you visit your sister
stop by and I will tell you.....</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical
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size=3><BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>NICE Dwayne....</FONT><FONT
size=3> <BR> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Yes Gray lets hear it for
the tube amp vs P/A amp. I wanna know.</FONT><FONT size=3>
<BR> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>WG</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR>-----
Original Message ----- <B><BR>From:</B> </FONT><A
href="mailto:dwaynenancy@suddenlink.net"><FONT color=blue size=3><U>Dwayne
Brown</U></FONT></A><FONT size=3> <B><BR>To:</B> </FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT color=blue size=3><U>'NSRCA
Mailing List'</U></FONT></A><FONT size=3> <B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, December
13, 2007 11:51 AM <B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment
Job.......was: Re: Off topic <BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080
size=2><BR>I’m gonna listen to my ES335 thru my Princeton amp I bought in 1964
then maybe I’ll plug into my Fender Dual Reverb with my PRS or my Les Paul Jr I
bought in 1957. Tone!!! Dwayne</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><BR>-----Original Message-----<B><BR>From:</B> </FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Tahoma
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size=2><U>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</U></FONT></A><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>wgalligan<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:17
AM<B><BR>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off topic</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><BR>Once again... Gray bends the envelope on his vast infinite
wealth of useful knowledge.</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><BR>Thanks for that audio bit of brain food.... now back to my
$99.00 12 Gauge practice amp. (Wishing that I had a full blown tube amp
from the 70's)</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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size=2><BR>WG...</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:18 AM</FONT><FONT size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off topic</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>I have tried to stay out of this as it could
become old guy vs young guy, but then again I am no longer
young.....</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>As an ex muscian I have recorded about 25
original songs and the interesting thing is that my recording time frame spans
the cross over of analog to digital, that is 1985 to about 1995.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>Led
Zeps "Whole Lotta Love" is not record groove bleed over, but is called tape
print through. That's where a freshly recorded magnetic impression transfers
through the back side of the tape onto a place it does not belong-one reel
revolution. To alleviate this tapes are to be stored "tails out" which the
recording engineer obviously forgot to do...in 1969. So that has to be the
coolest recording accident of all time. <BR><BR>I have known many home listening
"audiophiles" in my life, some I would call friends. I was always amazed at the
money that they spent on their home systems that was at times more than what it
would cost to put in a "studio" system. As a professional musician and a
professional sound man, the entire idea of recording in a studio was to make
your guitar or the drums sound like YOUR guitar, or your drums. When I stood in
front of my Marshall tube amp cranked up to 11, I wanted that sound on my final
product-be it a record or digital recording. (Pehaps I will discuss guitar tube
amps and the reason for their existence at a later date). I cannot begin to
explain how difficult that task actually is. I will say it is much easier now
days.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR><BR>Analog recoding studios really sounded good. 2" wide 24 track
tape spinning at 30 inches per second. That is what it took to keep the tape
noise level low and to get the most accurate reproduction AND each machine and
tape brand had to be calibrated before each recording session to ensure
accuracy. Remember, what you are listening to is what the muscian wants you to
hear, so audiophiles and listeners do not even get a vote yet on sound
quality.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>The 2" tape 24 track "Master"changed my guitar sound a bit.
Then that was mixed down to stereo 1/2 track 1/4" tape format called "Half Track
Master". That change my guitar sound a bit more, but still okay. The Half Track
Master then is sent to a pressing plant to make the actual vinyl record. First
you had to find a pay an expert "Master-er" to get to vinyl. This guy held you
and your recording by the Nards. Why? Because analog vinyl technolgy was so
screwed up. The Half track master that sounded great in the recording studio had
to be Re-equalized by this record master-er to compensate for his equipment and
how he knew it would change your recording-that you just spent $5000 on. It also
had to be compressed (musically not like MP3-more later) so it would not violate
groove and needle physical capabilities. If the Master-man sucked or did not
care, so did your record. If you were a big time rock star (I was not), then you
could hire Bob Ludwig, and he would make 5-6 wax pressings so the musician could
hear what he changed and choose what they liked best. Me I had to take what I
could get. In reality very few muscians ever approved of their vinyl recordings
because they sounded so different from what they put down in the
studio.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>Yet old audiophiles with their Harmonically distorted tube amps and
super crappy damping factors, needles that once again change the sound and wear
the grooves down, changing the sound, and worst of all "colored" speakers
tailored so any fool got a decent balance of bass and highs, claim
superiority-calling this "warmth".</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>Digital Mixers, with digital
recording and digital media by far produce the truest reproduction of what the
muscian intended. What I discovered when I recorded digital was that what used
to sound "full-warm" was in fact much less accurate. The "full-warm" sound that
was missing was harmonic crap that filled up the spaces in the mix. What you
could then do with digital is add more musical parts to fill the gaps and you
could hear all the detail. Listen to Led Zep records, then listen to a Led
Zep CD which was taken straight from the Half Track stereo master. One thing
that you will notice right away on CD is how much reverb is present on the CD
that you cannot hear on a vinyl record. I used to think as I bought CDS that the
CD has reverb added on top of the original recording. Not so, it is just that it
is 2X louder because the vinyl cannot reproduce such a subtle sound.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR><BR>Digital compression like MP3 .....is DATA compression that is
uncompressed before it becomes ear capable analog. Records "Squashed" compressed
music volume for needle physical reasons, Radio uses "infinite" volume
compression-to appear louder than other stations and to keep from violating
broadcast bandwidth-even worse....but hey, my brother thinks radio sounds
great...he must be an audiophile..... <BR><BR>Also...On Monday I am going back
to the recording studio..first time in 12 years. I am making the studio pull out
and dust off their antique 1/2 track analog machine (an the studio had to
calibrate it-as usual). I have about 10-11 songs that were mastered a on 1/2
track tape and guess what..I and going to burn some digital copies. My first
album was so F-up by the vinyl record that I look forward to hearing what
I actually recorded in 1985......</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>Merry Christmas Pattern
dudes........ <BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical
Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
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"warmth" of a tube amp is desireable to most people, it is, in fact, a type of
distortion. <BR><BR>I have a collection of vinyl, but prefer to use CDs. Kinda
hard to keep the needle from skipping while driving to work. :-)
<BR><BR>Remember the one Led Zepplin song where the adjacent grooves "bled" over
when the album was pressed? Never would have happened with digital. ;-)
<BR><BR>Bob R. <B><I><BR><BR><BR>twtaylor <twtaylor@ftc-i.net></I></B>
wrote: </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>You’ve obviously never
heard a good system then Matt. </FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=#000080
size=2>J</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial
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have tubes for the warmth that transistors can never match.</FONT><FONT
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