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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ozzy is easy, try Slipknot or
Sepultura....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yeah, I agree. Besides, some of us ride bikes
too. That classifies us as musician/biker-trash/Pattern-nerds. WTF? I wonder
if Homeland security knows about us...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW - I can understand everything that Ozzy
Osbourne says too! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:40
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<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Tom</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>I think that it is important to note that your term
"Pattern Nerd" is not only highly offensive to the majority, but very
applicable and accurate also. I, and all the rest of us ex musicians can no
way ever be termed a nerd, simply because our past exploits are things that
the true pattern nerds have only read about in books.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>Also-we need to make a decision here. If anyone knows
the answer to this it would be you. Which is Keith Urban's real
accent, the "Aussie bloke" style he uses in interviews or that "Tennesee
twang" he sings with?? Personally I think they are both fake.</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal
Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff
Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT> <BR><BR><BR>
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face=Arial color=blue size=2>You guys are starting to scare me!!</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>One of
the reasons I have been very thin on the flying of late is because I have
'returned' to custom building Basses....I have a constant stream of
'musicians' in and out of my workshop on a daily basis ( after I finish my
'real' job!)</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=blue size=2>Now I'm finding out that more and more of 'us' pattern
nerds are either still practicing musos or ex wanna be rockstars!</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>Yes I
do have some genuine Rockstar customers...I will be teaching a few to fly
soon too! </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=blue size=2>What a bunch of guys you all are!!!!</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=blue size=2>Tom</FONT> <BR>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gray E
Fowler<B><BR>Sent:</B> Friday, 14 December 2007 4:47 AM<B><BR>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment
Job.......was: Re: Off topic</FONT><FONT size=3><BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Wayne</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Since you live near me you do not count....when
you visit your sister stop by and I will tell you.....</FONT><FONT size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior
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size=3><BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>NICE
Dwayne....</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>Yes Gray lets hear it for the tube amp vs P/A amp. I wanna
know.</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>WG</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR>----- Original Message -----
<B><BR>From:</B> </FONT><A href="mailto:dwaynenancy@suddenlink.net"><FONT
color=blue size=3><U>Dwayne Brown</U></FONT></A><FONT size=3> <B><BR>To:</B>
</FONT><A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT color=blue
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Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:51 AM <B><BR>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off topic <BR></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>I’m gonna listen to my ES335 thru my
Princeton amp I bought in 1964 then maybe I’ll plug into my Fender Dual
Reverb with my PRS or my Les Paul Jr I bought in 1957. Tone!!!
Dwayne</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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size=2><U>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</U></FONT></A><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>wgalligan<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:17
AM<B><BR>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off topic</FONT><FONT size=3>
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size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Once again... Gray bends the
envelope on his vast infinite wealth of useful knowledge.</FONT><FONT
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Thanks for that audio bit of
brain food.... now back to my $99.00 12 Gauge practice amp. (Wishing
that I had a full blown tube amp from the 70's)</FONT><FONT size=3>
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size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>WG...</FONT><FONT size=3>
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face=Arial color=blue size=2><U>Gray E Fowler</U></FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
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</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>I have tried to stay out of this as it could
become old guy vs young guy, but then again I am no longer
young.....</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>As an ex muscian I have recorded about 25
original songs and the interesting thing is that my recording time frame
spans the cross over of analog to digital, that is 1985 to about
1995.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>Led Zeps "Whole Lotta Love" is not record
groove bleed over, but is called tape print through. That's where a freshly
recorded magnetic impression transfers through the back side of the tape
onto a place it does not belong-one reel revolution. To alleviate this tapes
are to be stored "tails out" which the recording engineer obviously forgot
to do...in 1969. So that has to be the coolest recording accident of all
time. <BR><BR>I have known many home listening "audiophiles" in my life,
some I would call friends. I was always amazed at the money that they spent
on their home systems that was at times more than what it would cost to put
in a "studio" system. As a professional musician and a professional sound
man, the entire idea of recording in a studio was to make your guitar or the
drums sound like YOUR guitar, or your drums. When I stood in front of my
Marshall tube amp cranked up to 11, I wanted that sound on my final
product-be it a record or digital recording. (Pehaps I will discuss guitar
tube amps and the reason for their existence at a later date). I cannot
begin to explain how difficult that task actually is. I will say it is much
easier now days.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>Analog recoding studios really sounded good.
2" wide 24 track tape spinning at 30 inches per second. That is what it took
to keep the tape noise level low and to get the most accurate reproduction
AND each machine and tape brand had to be calibrated before each recording
session to ensure accuracy. Remember, what you are listening to is what the
muscian wants you to hear, so audiophiles and listeners do not even get a
vote yet on sound quality.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>The 2" tape 24 track
"Master"changed my guitar sound a bit. Then that was mixed down to
stereo 1/2 track 1/4" tape format called "Half Track Master". That change my
guitar sound a bit more, but still okay. The Half Track Master then is sent
to a pressing plant to make the actual vinyl record. First you had to find a
pay an expert "Master-er" to get to vinyl. This guy held you and your
recording by the Nards. Why? Because analog vinyl technolgy was so screwed
up. The Half track master that sounded great in the recording studio had to
be Re-equalized by this record master-er to compensate for his equipment and
how he knew it would change your recording-that you just spent $5000 on. It
also had to be compressed (musically not like MP3-more later) so it would
not violate groove and needle physical capabilities. If the Master-man
sucked or did not care, so did your record. If you were a big time rock star
(I was not), then you could hire Bob Ludwig, and he would make 5-6 wax
pressings so the musician could hear what he changed and choose what they
liked best. Me I had to take what I could get. In reality very few muscians
ever approved of their vinyl recordings because they sounded so different
from what they put down in the studio.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Yet old audiophiles with
their Harmonically distorted tube amps and super crappy damping factors,
needles that once again change the sound and wear the grooves down, changing
the sound, and worst of all "colored" speakers tailored so any fool got a
decent balance of bass and highs, claim superiority-calling this
"warmth".</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>Digital Mixers, with digital recording and
digital media by far produce the truest reproduction of what the muscian
intended. What I discovered when I recorded digital was that what used to
sound "full-warm" was in fact much less accurate. The "full-warm" sound that
was missing was harmonic crap that filled up the spaces in the mix. What you
could then do with digital is add more musical parts to fill the gaps and
you could hear all the detail. Listen to Led Zep records, then listen
to a Led Zep CD which was taken straight from the Half Track stereo master.
One thing that you will notice right away on CD is how much reverb is
present on the CD that you cannot hear on a vinyl record. I used to think as
I bought CDS that the CD has reverb added on top of the original recording.
Not so, it is just that it is 2X louder because the vinyl cannot reproduce
such a subtle sound.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>Digital compression like MP3 .....is DATA
compression that is uncompressed before it becomes ear capable analog.
Records "Squashed" compressed music volume for needle physical reasons,
Radio uses "infinite" volume compression-to appear louder than other
stations and to keep from violating broadcast bandwidth-even worse....but
hey, my brother thinks radio sounds great...he must be an audiophile.....
<BR><BR>Also...On Monday I am going back to the recording studio..first time
in 12 years. I am making the studio pull out and dust off their antique 1/2
track analog machine (an the studio had to calibrate it-as usual). I have
about 10-11 songs that were mastered a on 1/2 track tape and guess what..I
and going to burn some digital copies. My first album was so F-up by the
vinyl record that I look forward to hearing what I actually recorded
in 1985......</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>Merry Christmas Pattern dudes........
<BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and
Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR><BR><BR><BR>IMHO, although the
"warmth" of a tube amp is desireable to most people, it is, in fact, a type
of distortion. <BR><BR>I have a collection of vinyl, but prefer to use CDs.
Kinda hard to keep the needle from skipping while driving to work. :-)
<BR><BR>Remember the one Led Zepplin song where the adjacent grooves "bled"
over when the album was pressed? Never would have happened with digital. ;-)
<BR><BR>Bob R. <B><I><BR><BR><BR>twtaylor <twtaylor@ftc-i.net></I></B>
wrote: </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>You’ve obviously
never heard a good system then Matt. </FONT><FONT face=Wingdings
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<BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>Vinyl is still MUCH
better than any CD. Also one must have tubes for the warmth that transistors
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