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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gray E Fowler<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 13, 2007
7:18 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off topic</span></font></p>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>I have tried to stay out of this as
it could become old guy vs young guy, but then again I am no longer young.....</span></font><font
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>As an ex muscian I have recorded
about 25 original songs and the interesting thing is that my recording time
frame spans the cross over of analog to digital, that is 1985 to about 1995.</span></font><font
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<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>Led Zeps "Whole Lotta
Love" is not record groove bleed over, but is called tape print through.
That's where a freshly recorded magnetic impression transfers through the back
side of the tape onto a place it does not belong-one reel revolution. To
alleviate this tapes are to be stored "tails out" which the recording
engineer obviously forgot to do...in 1969. So that has to be the coolest
recording accident of all time. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>I have known many home listening
"audiophiles" in my life, some I would call friends. I was always
amazed at the money that they spent on their home systems that was at times
more than what it would cost to put in a "studio" system. As a
professional musician and a professional sound man, the entire idea of
recording in a studio was to make your guitar or the drums sound like YOUR
guitar, or your drums. When I stood in front of my Marshall tube amp cranked up
to 11, I wanted that sound on my final product-be it a record or digital
recording. (Pehaps I will discuss guitar tube amps and the reason for their
existence at a later date). I cannot begin to explain how difficult that task
actually is. I will say it is much easier now days.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>Analog recoding studios really
sounded good. 2" wide 24 track tape spinning at 30 inches per second. That
is what it took to keep the tape noise level low and to get the most accurate
reproduction AND each machine and tape brand had to be calibrated before each
recording session to ensure accuracy. Remember, what you are listening to is
what the muscian wants you to hear, so audiophiles and listeners do not even
get a vote yet on sound quality.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>The 2" tape 24 track
"Master"changed my guitar sound a bit. Then that was mixed down
to stereo 1/2 track 1/4" tape format called "Half Track Master".
That change my guitar sound a bit more, but still okay. The Half Track Master
then is sent to a pressing plant to make the actual vinyl record. First you had
to find a pay an expert "Master-er" to get to vinyl. This guy held
you and your recording by the Nards. Why? Because analog vinyl technolgy was so
screwed up. The Half track master that sounded great in the recording studio
had to be Re-equalized by this record master-er to compensate for his equipment
and how he knew it would change your recording-that you just spent $5000 on. It
also had to be compressed (musically not like MP3-more later) so it would not
violate groove and needle physical capabilities. If the Master-man sucked or
did not care, so did your record. If you were a big time rock star (I was not),
then you could hire Bob Ludwig, and he would make 5-6 wax pressings so the
musician could hear what he changed and choose what they liked best. Me I had
to take what I could get. In reality very few muscians ever approved of their
vinyl recordings because they sounded so different from what they put down in
the studio.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'> Yet old audiophiles with their
Harmonically distorted tube amps and super crappy damping factors, needles that
once again change the sound and wear the grooves down, changing the sound, and
worst of all "colored" speakers tailored so any fool got a decent
balance of bass and highs, claim superiority-calling this "warmth".</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>Digital Mixers, with digital
recording and digital media by far produce the truest reproduction of what the
muscian intended. What I discovered when I recorded digital was that what used
to sound "full-warm" was in fact much less accurate. The
"full-warm" sound that was missing was harmonic crap that filled up
the spaces in the mix. What you could then do with digital is add more musical
parts to fill the gaps and you could hear all the detail. Listen to Led
Zep records, then listen to a Led Zep CD which was taken straight from the Half
Track stereo master. One thing that you will notice right away on CD is how
much reverb is present on the CD that you cannot hear on a vinyl record. I used
to think as I bought CDS that the CD has reverb added on top of the original
recording. Not so, it is just that it is 2X louder because the vinyl cannot
reproduce such a subtle sound.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>Digital compression like MP3 .....is
DATA compression that is uncompressed before it becomes ear capable analog.
Records "Squashed" compressed music volume for needle physical
reasons, Radio uses "infinite" volume compression-to appear louder
than other stations and to keep from violating broadcast bandwidth-even
worse....but hey, my brother thinks radio sounds great...he must be an
audiophile..... </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>Also...On Monday I am going back to
the recording studio..first time in 12 years. I am making the studio pull out
and dust off their antique 1/2 track analog machine (an the studio had to
calibrate it-as usual). I have about 10-11 songs that were mastered a on 1/2
track tape and guess what..I and going to burn some digital copies. My first
album was so F-up by the vinyl record that I look forward to hearing what
I actually recorded in 1985......</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>Merry Christmas Pattern
dudes........ <br>
<br>
<br>
Gray Fowler<br>
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<br>
Radomes and Specialty Apertures<br>
Technical Staff Composites Engineering<br>
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IMHO, although the "warmth" of a tube amp is desireable to most
people, it is, in fact, a type of distortion. <br>
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I have a collection of vinyl, but prefer to use CDs. Kinda hard to keep the
needle from skipping while driving to work. :-) <br>
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Remember the one Led Zepplin song where the adjacent grooves "bled"
over when the album was pressed? Never would have happened with digital. ;-) <br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You’ve obviously never heard a good system then
Matt. </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span
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must have tubes for the warmth that transistors can never match.</span></font><font
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