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color=#0000ff size=2>You guys are starting to scare me!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=791255420-13122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>One of the reasons I have been very thin on the flying of
late is because I have 'returned' to custom building Basses....I have a
constant stream of 'musicians' in and out of my workshop on a daily basis (
after I finish my 'real' job!)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=791255420-13122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Now I'm finding out that more and more of 'us' pattern
nerds are either still practicing musos or ex wanna be
rockstars!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=791255420-13122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Yes I do have some genuine Rockstar customers...I will
be teaching a few to fly soon too! </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=791255420-13122007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>What a bunch of guys you all are!!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Tom</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gray E
Fowler<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 14 December 2007 4:47 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
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<DIV></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Wayne</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>Since you live near me you do not count....when you visit
your sister stop by and I will tell you.....</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes
and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT> <BR><BR><BR>
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size=2>NICE Dwayne....</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Yes Gray lets hear it for the tube amp vs P/A amp. I
wanna know.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>WG</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>----- Original Message ----- </FONT><BR><FONT
size=3><B>From:</B> </FONT><A href="mailto:dwaynenancy@suddenlink.net"><FONT
color=blue size=3><U>Dwayne Brown</U></FONT></A><FONT size=3> </FONT><BR><FONT
size=3><B>To:</B> </FONT><A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT
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</FONT><BR><FONT size=3><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:51 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=3><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment Job.......was:
Re: Off topic</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2>I’m gonna
listen to my ES335 thru my Princeton amp I bought in 1964 then maybe I’ll plug
into my Fender Dual Reverb with my PRS or my Les Paul Jr I bought in 1957.
Tone!!! Dwayne</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original
Message-----<B><BR>From:</B> </FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Tahoma
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size=2><U>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</U></FONT></A><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>wgalligan<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:17
AM<B><BR>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off topic</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Once again... Gray bends the
envelope on his vast infinite wealth of useful knowledge.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks
for that audio bit of brain food.... now back to my $99.00 12 Gauge practice
amp. (Wishing that I had a full blown tube amp from the 70's)</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>WG...</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2><B>From:</B> </FONT><A
href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><U>Gray E
Fowler</U></FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2><B>To:</B> </FONT><A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT
face=Arial color=blue size=2><U>NSRCA Mailing List</U></FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2> </FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>Sent:</B> Thursday,
December 13, 2007 10:18 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off topic</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>I have tried to stay out of this as it could become old guy vs young
guy, but then again I am no longer young.....</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>As an ex muscian I have
recorded about 25 original songs and the interesting thing is that my recording
time frame spans the cross over of analog to digital, that is 1985 to about
1995.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Led Zeps "Whole Lotta Love" is not record groove
bleed over, but is called tape print through. That's where a freshly recorded
magnetic impression transfers through the back side of the tape onto a place it
does not belong-one reel revolution. To alleviate this tapes are to be stored
"tails out" which the recording engineer obviously forgot to do...in 1969. So
that has to be the coolest recording accident of all time. </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>I have
known many home listening "audiophiles" in my life, some I would call friends. I
was always amazed at the money that they spent on their home systems that was at
times more than what it would cost to put in a "studio" system. As a
professional musician and a professional sound man, the entire idea of recording
in a studio was to make your guitar or the drums sound like YOUR guitar, or your
drums. When I stood in front of my Marshall tube amp cranked up to 11, I wanted
that sound on my final product-be it a record or digital recording. (Pehaps I
will discuss guitar tube amps and the reason for their existence at a later
date). I cannot begin to explain how difficult that task actually is. I will say
it is much easier now days.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
<BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Analog recoding studios really
sounded good. 2" wide 24 track tape spinning at 30 inches per second. That is
what it took to keep the tape noise level low and to get the most accurate
reproduction AND each machine and tape brand had to be calibrated before each
recording session to ensure accuracy. Remember, what you are listening to is
what the muscian wants you to hear, so audiophiles and listeners do not even get
a vote yet on sound quality.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>The 2" tape 24 track
"Master"changed my guitar sound a bit. Then that was mixed down to stereo
1/2 track 1/4" tape format called "Half Track Master". That change my guitar
sound a bit more, but still okay. The Half Track Master then is sent to a
pressing plant to make the actual vinyl record. First you had to find a pay an
expert "Master-er" to get to vinyl. This guy held you and your recording by the
Nards. Why? Because analog vinyl technolgy was so screwed up. The Half track
master that sounded great in the recording studio had to be Re-equalized by this
record master-er to compensate for his equipment and how he knew it would change
your recording-that you just spent $5000 on. It also had to be compressed
(musically not like MP3-more later) so it would not violate groove and needle
physical capabilities. If the Master-man sucked or did not care, so did your
record. If you were a big time rock star (I was not), then you could hire Bob
Ludwig, and he would make 5-6 wax pressings so the musician could hear what he
changed and choose what they liked best. Me I had to take what I could get. In
reality very few muscians ever approved of their vinyl recordings because they
sounded so different from what they put down in the studio.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Yet old
audiophiles with their Harmonically distorted tube amps and super crappy damping
factors, needles that once again change the sound and wear the grooves down,
changing the sound, and worst of all "colored" speakers tailored so any fool got
a decent balance of bass and highs, claim superiority-calling this
"warmth".</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Digital Mixers, with digital recording and digital
media by far produce the truest reproduction of what the muscian intended. What
I discovered when I recorded digital was that what used to sound "full-warm" was
in fact much less accurate. The "full-warm" sound that was missing was harmonic
crap that filled up the spaces in the mix. What you could then do with digital
is add more musical parts to fill the gaps and you could hear all the
detail. Listen to Led Zep records, then listen to a Led Zep CD which was taken
straight from the Half Track stereo master. One thing that you will notice right
away on CD is how much reverb is present on the CD that you cannot hear on a
vinyl record. I used to think as I bought CDS that the CD has reverb added on
top of the original recording. Not so, it is just that it is 2X louder because
the vinyl cannot reproduce such a subtle sound.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>Digital compression like MP3 .....is DATA compression that is
uncompressed before it becomes ear capable analog. Records "Squashed" compressed
music volume for needle physical reasons, Radio uses "infinite" volume
compression-to appear louder than other stations and to keep from violating
broadcast bandwidth-even worse....but hey, my brother thinks radio sounds
great...he must be an audiophile..... </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Also...On Monday I am going
back to the recording studio..first time in 12 years. I am making the studio
pull out and dust off their antique 1/2 track analog machine (an the studio had
to calibrate it-as usual). I have about 10-11 songs that were mastered a on 1/2
track tape and guess what..I and going to burn some digital copies. My first
album was so F-up by the vinyl record that I look forward to hearing what
I actually recorded in 1985......</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
<BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Merry Christmas Pattern
dudes........ <BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical
Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR><BR><BR>IMHO, although the "warmth" of a tube
amp is desireable to most people, it is, in fact, a type of distortion.
<BR> <BR>I have a collection of vinyl, but prefer to use CDs. Kinda hard to
keep the needle from skipping while driving to work. :-) <BR> <BR>Remember
the one Led Zepplin song where the adjacent grooves "bled" over when the album
was pressed? Never would have happened with digital. ;-) <BR> <BR>Bob R.
<BR><B><I><BR><BR>twtaylor <twtaylor@ftc-i.net></I></B> wrote:
</FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>You’ve obviously never heard a
good system then Matt. </FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=#000080
size=2>J</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial
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size=3> </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>Vinyl is still
MUCH better than any CD. Also one must have tubes for the warmth that
transistors can never match.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
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