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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yeah, I agree. Besides, some of us ride bikes too.
That classifies us as musician/biker-trash/Pattern-nerds. WTF? I wonder if
Homeland security knows about us...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A
href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW - I can understand everything that Ozzy
Osbourne says too! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Tom</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>I think that it is important to note that your term
"Pattern Nerd" is not only highly offensive to the majority, but very
applicable and accurate also. I, and all the rest of us ex musicians can no
way ever be termed a nerd, simply because our past exploits are things that
the true pattern nerds have only read about in books.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>Also-we need to make a decision here. If anyone knows
the answer to this it would be you. Which is Keith Urban's real accent,
the "Aussie bloke" style he uses in interviews or that "Tennesee twang" he
sings with?? Personally I think they are both fake.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical
Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT> <BR><BR><BR>
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color=blue size=2>You guys are starting to scare me!!</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>One of the reasons
I have been very thin on the flying of late is because I have 'returned' to
custom building Basses....I have a constant stream of 'musicians' in and out
of my workshop on a daily basis ( after I finish my 'real' job!)</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>Now I'm
finding out that more and more of 'us' pattern nerds are either still
practicing musos or ex wanna be rockstars!</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>Yes I do have some
genuine Rockstar customers...I will be teaching a few to fly soon too!
</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2>What a bunch of guys you all are!!!!</FONT> <BR><FONT
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gray E
Fowler<B><BR>Sent:</B> Friday, 14 December 2007 4:47 AM<B><BR>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment Job.......was:
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size=2><BR>Wayne</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>Since you live near me you do not count....when you visit your
sister stop by and I will tell you.....</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal
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Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR><BR></FONT>
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size=3><BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>NICE Dwayne....</FONT><FONT
size=3> <BR> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Yes Gray lets hear it for
the tube amp vs P/A amp. I wanna know.</FONT><FONT size=3>
<BR> </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>WG</FONT><FONT size=3> <BR>-----
Original Message ----- <B><BR>From:</B> </FONT><A
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Brown</U></FONT></A><FONT size=3> <B><BR>To:</B> </FONT><A
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Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:51 AM <B><BR>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off topic <BR></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>I’m gonna listen to my ES335 thru my
Princeton amp I bought in 1964 then maybe I’ll plug into my Fender Dual Reverb
with my PRS or my Les Paul Jr I bought in 1957. Tone!!!
Dwayne</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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size=2><U>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</U></FONT></A><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>wgalligan<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:17
AM<B><BR>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off topic</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><BR>Once again... Gray bends the envelope on his vast
infinite wealth of useful knowledge.</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><BR>Thanks for that audio bit of brain food.... now back to
my $99.00 12 Gauge practice amp. (Wishing that I had a full blown tube
amp from the 70's)</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><BR>WG...</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
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E Fowler</U></FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> <B><BR>To:</B> </FONT><A
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<B><BR>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:18 AM</FONT><FONT size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><B><BR>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Gov'ment Job.......was: Re: Off topic</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>I have tried to stay out of this as it could
become old guy vs young guy, but then again I am no longer
young.....</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>As an ex muscian I have recorded about 25
original songs and the interesting thing is that my recording time frame spans
the cross over of analog to digital, that is 1985 to about 1995.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>Led
Zeps "Whole Lotta Love" is not record groove bleed over, but is called tape
print through. That's where a freshly recorded magnetic impression transfers
through the back side of the tape onto a place it does not belong-one reel
revolution. To alleviate this tapes are to be stored "tails out" which the
recording engineer obviously forgot to do...in 1969. So that has to be the
coolest recording accident of all time. <BR><BR>I have known many home
listening "audiophiles" in my life, some I would call friends. I was always
amazed at the money that they spent on their home systems that was at times
more than what it would cost to put in a "studio" system. As a professional
musician and a professional sound man, the entire idea of recording in a
studio was to make your guitar or the drums sound like YOUR guitar, or your
drums. When I stood in front of my Marshall tube amp cranked up to 11, I
wanted that sound on my final product-be it a record or digital recording.
(Pehaps I will discuss guitar tube amps and the reason for their existence at
a later date). I cannot begin to explain how difficult that task actually is.
I will say it is much easier now days.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR>Analog recoding studios
really sounded good. 2" wide 24 track tape spinning at 30 inches per second.
That is what it took to keep the tape noise level low and to get the most
accurate reproduction AND each machine and tape brand had to be calibrated
before each recording session to ensure accuracy. Remember, what you are
listening to is what the muscian wants you to hear, so audiophiles and
listeners do not even get a vote yet on sound quality.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>The 2"
tape 24 track "Master"changed my guitar sound a bit. Then that was mixed
down to stereo 1/2 track 1/4" tape format called "Half Track Master". That
change my guitar sound a bit more, but still okay. The Half Track Master then
is sent to a pressing plant to make the actual vinyl record. First you had to
find a pay an expert "Master-er" to get to vinyl. This guy held you and your
recording by the Nards. Why? Because analog vinyl technolgy was so screwed up.
The Half track master that sounded great in the recording studio had to be
Re-equalized by this record master-er to compensate for his equipment and how
he knew it would change your recording-that you just spent $5000 on. It also
had to be compressed (musically not like MP3-more later) so it would not
violate groove and needle physical capabilities. If the Master-man sucked or
did not care, so did your record. If you were a big time rock star (I was
not), then you could hire Bob Ludwig, and he would make 5-6 wax pressings so
the musician could hear what he changed and choose what they liked best. Me I
had to take what I could get. In reality very few muscians ever approved of
their vinyl recordings because they sounded so different from what they put
down in the studio.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Yet old audiophiles with their Harmonically
distorted tube amps and super crappy damping factors, needles that once again
change the sound and wear the grooves down, changing the sound, and worst of
all "colored" speakers tailored so any fool got a decent balance of bass and
highs, claim superiority-calling this "warmth".</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR><BR>Digital Mixers, with digital recording and digital media by far
produce the truest reproduction of what the muscian intended. What I
discovered when I recorded digital was that what used to sound "full-warm" was
in fact much less accurate. The "full-warm" sound that was missing was
harmonic crap that filled up the spaces in the mix. What you could then do
with digital is add more musical parts to fill the gaps and you could hear all
the detail. Listen to Led Zep records, then listen to a Led Zep CD which
was taken straight from the Half Track stereo master. One thing that you will
notice right away on CD is how much reverb is present on the CD that you
cannot hear on a vinyl record. I used to think as I bought CDS that the CD has
reverb added on top of the original recording. Not so, it is just that it is
2X louder because the vinyl cannot reproduce such a subtle sound.</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR><BR>Digital compression like MP3 .....is DATA compression that is
uncompressed before it becomes ear capable analog. Records "Squashed"
compressed music volume for needle physical reasons, Radio uses "infinite"
volume compression-to appear louder than other stations and to keep from
violating broadcast bandwidth-even worse....but hey, my brother thinks radio
sounds great...he must be an audiophile..... <BR><BR>Also...On Monday I am
going back to the recording studio..first time in 12 years. I am making the
studio pull out and dust off their antique 1/2 track analog machine (an the
studio had to calibrate it-as usual). I have about 10-11 songs that were
mastered a on 1/2 track tape and guess what..I and going to burn some digital
copies. My first album was so F-up by the vinyl record that I look
forward to hearing what I actually recorded in 1985......</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR><BR>Merry Christmas Pattern dudes........ <BR><BR><BR>Gray
Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radomes and Specialty
Apertures<BR>Technical Staff Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</FONT><FONT
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"warmth" of a tube amp is desireable to most people, it is, in fact, a type of
distortion. <BR><BR>I have a collection of vinyl, but prefer to use CDs. Kinda
hard to keep the needle from skipping while driving to work. :-)
<BR><BR>Remember the one Led Zepplin song where the adjacent grooves "bled"
over when the album was pressed? Never would have happened with digital. ;-)
<BR><BR>Bob R. <B><I><BR><BR><BR>twtaylor <twtaylor@ftc-i.net></I></B>
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face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><BR>Vinyl is still MUCH better than any CD.
Also one must have tubes for the warmth that transistors can never
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