<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Tom</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I think that it is important to note
that your term "Pattern Nerd" is not only highly offensive to
the majority, but very applicable and accurate also. I, and all the rest
of us ex musicians can no way ever be termed a nerd, simply because our
past exploits are things that the true pattern nerds have only read about
in books.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Also-we need to make a decision here.
If anyone knows the answer to this it would be you. Which is Keith
Urban's real accent, the "Aussie bloke" style he uses in interviews
or that "Tennesee twang" he sings with?? Personally I think they
are both fake.</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=blue face="Arial">You guys are starting to scare
me!!</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=blue face="Arial">One of the reasons I have been
very thin on the flying of late is because I have 'returned' to custom
building Basses....I have a constant stream of 'musicians' in and out of
my workshop on a daily basis ( after I finish my 'real' job!)</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=blue face="Arial">Now I'm finding out that more
and more of 'us' pattern nerds are either still practicing musos or ex
wanna be rockstars!</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=blue face="Arial">Yes I do have some genuine Rockstar
customers...I will be teaching a few to fly soon too! </font>
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<br><font size=2 color=blue face="Arial">What a bunch of guys you all are!!!!</font>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gray
E Fowler<b><br>
Sent:</b> Friday, 14 December 2007 4:47 AM<b><br>
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Wayne</font><font size=3> <br>
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Since you live near me you do not count....when you visit your sister stop
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NICE Dwayne....</font><font size=3> <br>
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Yes Gray lets hear it for the tube amp vs P/A amp. I wanna know.</font><font size=3>
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I’m gonna listen to my ES335 thru my Princeton amp I bought in 1964 then
maybe I’ll plug into my Fender Dual Reverb with my PRS or my Les Paul
Jr I bought in 1957. Tone!!! Dwayne</font><font size=3> </font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><br>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>wgalligan<b><br>
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Once again... Gray bends the envelope on his vast infinite wealth of useful
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Thanks for that audio bit of brain food.... now back to my $99.00 12 Gauge
practice amp. (Wishing that I had a full blown tube amp from
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E Fowler</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Arial"> <b><br>
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I have tried to stay out of this as it could become old guy vs young guy,
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As an ex muscian I have recorded about 25 original songs and the interesting
thing is that my recording time frame spans the cross over of analog to
digital, that is 1985 to about 1995.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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Led Zeps "Whole Lotta Love" is not record groove bleed over,
but is called tape print through. That's where a freshly recorded magnetic
impression transfers through the back side of the tape onto a place it
does not belong-one reel revolution. To alleviate this tapes are to be
stored "tails out" which the recording engineer obviously forgot
to do...in 1969. So that has to be the coolest recording accident of all
time. <br>
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I have known many home listening "audiophiles" in my life, some
I would call friends. I was always amazed at the money that they spent
on their home systems that was at times more than what it would cost to
put in a "studio" system. As a professional musician and a professional
sound man, the entire idea of recording in a studio was to make your guitar
or the drums sound like YOUR guitar, or your drums. When I stood in front
of my Marshall tube amp cranked up to 11, I wanted that sound on my final
product-be it a record or digital recording. (Pehaps I will discuss guitar
tube amps and the reason for their existence at a later date). I cannot
begin to explain how difficult that task actually is. I will say it is
much easier now days.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
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Analog recoding studios really sounded good. 2" wide 24 track tape
spinning at 30 inches per second. That is what it took to keep the tape
noise level low and to get the most accurate reproduction AND each machine
and tape brand had to be calibrated before each recording session to ensure
accuracy. Remember, what you are listening to is what the muscian wants
you to hear, so audiophiles and listeners do not even get a vote yet on
sound quality.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
The 2" tape 24 track "Master"changed my guitar sound
a bit. Then that was mixed down to stereo 1/2 track 1/4" tape format
called "Half Track Master". That change my guitar sound a bit
more, but still okay. The Half Track Master then is sent to a pressing
plant to make the actual vinyl record. First you had to find a pay an expert
"Master-er" to get to vinyl. This guy held you and your recording
by the Nards. Why? Because analog vinyl technolgy was so screwed up. The
Half track master that sounded great in the recording studio had to be
Re-equalized by this record master-er to compensate for his equipment and
how he knew it would change your recording-that you just spent $5000 on.
It also had to be compressed (musically not like MP3-more later) so it
would not violate groove and needle physical capabilities. If the Master-man
sucked or did not care, so did your record. If you were a big time rock
star (I was not), then you could hire Bob Ludwig, and he would make 5-6
wax pressings so the musician could hear what he changed and choose what
they liked best. Me I had to take what I could get. In reality very few
muscians ever approved of their vinyl recordings because they sounded so
different from what they put down in the studio.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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Yet old audiophiles with their Harmonically distorted tube amps and super
crappy damping factors, needles that once again change the sound and wear
the grooves down, changing the sound, and worst of all "colored"
speakers tailored so any fool got a decent balance of bass and highs, claim
superiority-calling this "warmth".</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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Digital Mixers, with digital recording and digital media by far produce
the truest reproduction of what the muscian intended. What I discovered
when I recorded digital was that what used to sound "full-warm"
was in fact much less accurate. The "full-warm" sound that was
missing was harmonic crap that filled up the spaces in the mix. What you
could then do with digital is add more musical parts to fill the gaps and
you could hear all the detail. Listen to Led Zep records, then listen
to a Led Zep CD which was taken straight from the Half Track stereo master.
One thing that you will notice right away on CD is how much reverb is present
on the CD that you cannot hear on a vinyl record. I used to think as I
bought CDS that the CD has reverb added on top of the original recording.
Not so, it is just that it is 2X louder because the vinyl cannot reproduce
such a subtle sound.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
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Digital compression like MP3 .....is DATA compression that is uncompressed
before it becomes ear capable analog. Records "Squashed" compressed
music volume for needle physical reasons, Radio uses "infinite"
volume compression-to appear louder than other stations and to keep from
violating broadcast bandwidth-even worse....but hey, my brother thinks
radio sounds great...he must be an audiophile..... <br>
<br>
Also...On Monday I am going back to the recording studio..first time in
12 years. I am making the studio pull out and dust off their antique 1/2
track analog machine (an the studio had to calibrate it-as usual). I have
about 10-11 songs that were mastered a on 1/2 track tape and guess what..I
and going to burn some digital copies. My first album was so F-up by the
vinyl record that I look forward to hearing what I actually recorded
in 1985......</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
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Merry Christmas Pattern dudes........ <br>
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Gray Fowler<br>
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IMHO, although the "warmth" of a tube amp is desireable to most
people, it is, in fact, a type of distortion. <br>
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I have a collection of vinyl, but prefer to use CDs. Kinda hard to keep
the needle from skipping while driving to work. :-) <br>
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Remember the one Led Zepplin song where the adjacent grooves "bled"
over when the album was pressed? Never would have happened with digital.
;-) <br>
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Vinyl is still MUCH better than any CD. Also one must have tubes for the
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