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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color="#993366"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I am reluctant to respond here as others more capable than I have
already responded.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Most take it for granted that the airplane is properly trimmed when
often it may not be trimmed well enough. The real key to consistent stall turns
is pitch trim. The airplane needs to hold vertical with or without power or while
reducing power approaching the turn position. Most stall turns are included in
combination turnaround maneuvers where it is difficult to see small pitch changes.
If the airplane stops it will flop if it is not vertical. Sometimes adding a
lot of power to blow the tail over can prevent a flop often resulting in a
sever downgrade due to wing rotation and a messy recovery. Carrying a little
power helps a lot but much more than a high idle can pull it over offsetting
the center of rotation to the wing tip. Impatience is your enemy, as premature
application of rudder in calm air will always result in an offset down line.</span></font></span><span
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Others will probably correct me or add to this but until I could control
the vertical pitch a descent stall turn was out of reach.</span></font></span><span
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lisa &amp; Larry<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 24, 2007
6:30 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Was quiet: Now Judging / Performing StallTurns</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>OK&#8230;I&#8217;ve been wondering
about this&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Watching some of the
Masters and FAI perform Stall Turns it looks like the plane is climbing then
rotates like someone put a pin in the center of the fuse and turned it around
180. I don&#8217;t recall if this is during strong cross winds or not. If I were to
assume the role of a judge it may be close to a wing over if the wind was calm.
But then some are nearly straight down the same line up line.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So, what&#8217;s the trick or
am I missing something that should actually be downgraded?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>On a personal note, I
will flop more often than I want. At least once in a contest.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Now let&#8217;s get some
noise&#8230;vbg&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Larry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>


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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Scott Anderson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 24, 2007
8:01 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName>
new<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName>-discussion]
quiet</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=4 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Everyone recovering from
Thanksgiving?&nbsp; list is quiet..</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=4 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>529</span></font><font
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