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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You're right on Jim. My Quest has so much pitch to
the canopy that the mix I'm carrying for K.E. forces me to input some up elev @
the top of the stall turn line to keep it from flopping toward the gear. So
you're correct in your assertion that the upline trim needs to be as close as
you can get it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G.</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jnhiller@earthlink.net href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">J N
Hiller</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:02
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Was
quiet: Now Judging / PerformingStallTurns</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=#993366
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">I am
reluctant to respond here as others more capable than I have already
responded.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Most
take it for granted that the airplane is properly trimmed when often it may
not be trimmed well enough. The real key to consistent stall turns is pitch
trim. The airplane needs to hold vertical with or without power or while
reducing power approaching the turn position. Most stall turns are included in
combination turnaround maneuvers where it is difficult to see small pitch
changes. If the airplane stops it will flop if it is not vertical. Sometimes
adding a lot of power to blow the tail over can prevent a flop often resulting
in a sever downgrade due to wing rotation and a messy recovery. Carrying a
little power helps a lot but much more than a high idle can pull it over
offsetting the center of rotation to the wing tip. Impatience is your enemy,
as premature application of rudder in calm air will always result in an offset
down line.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial
color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Others
will probably correct me or add to this but until I could control the vertical
pitch a descent stall turn was out of reach.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
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Hiller</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Lisa & Larry<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:30
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'NSRCA Mailing
List'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Was quiet: Now Judging / Performing
StallTurns</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OK…I’ve
been wondering about this…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Watching
some of the Masters and FAI perform Stall Turns it looks like the plane is
climbing then rotates like someone put a pin in the center of the fuse and
turned it around 180. I don’t recall if this is during strong cross winds or
not. If I were to assume the role of a judge it may be close to a wing over if
the wind was calm. But then some are nearly straight down the same line up
line.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So,
what’s the trick or am I missing something that should actually be
downgraded?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">On a
personal note, I will flop more often than I want. At least once in a
contest.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now
let’s get some noise…vbg…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Larry<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Scott Anderson<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:01
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName> new<BR><B><SPAN
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w:st="on">NSRCA</st1:PersonName>-discussion] quiet</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Everyone recovering
from Thanksgiving? list is quiet..</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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