<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">George is correct. The best judge in the world can be stuck with some poor judges and his performance will look bad. That's why only the top eight "performances" are used in the ranking.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 25, 2007, at 1:35 PM, george w. kennie wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Vicente,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">It means nothing,..........Quadruple zero, triple Oh, double ott, nothing, NADA ! In every case it amounts to the calibre of your fellow judges on the rest of the panel for that round. So if you happen to get stuck with a couple of dodos who are awarding 9's and you're issuing legitimate downgrades you can be sure that your name will not be entered in the 1000 folder. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">G.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="kerlock@comcast.net" href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net">Mike Hester</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="donramsey@gmail.com" href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com">Don Ramsey</A> ; <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:23 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Evaluation/Ranking</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Just a joke =)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">However I'm still trying to understand how it works. I have an idea, but it's all that "new math" LOL</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">-Mike</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="don.ramsey@suddenlink.net" href="mailto:don.ramsey@suddenlink.net">Don Ramsey</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:20 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Evaluation/Ranking</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">In the Judge Evaluation Program no judge wins the round. He is simply assigned a score that accesses his performance relative to the other judges based on 2 metrics, how he scored the flight relative to the average of the other judges and how he placed the pilots in the rounds versus their actual placing.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size="2">Don</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="Lisandro.Zapata@rsandh.com" href="mailto:Lisandro.Zapata@rsandh.com">Zapata, Lisandro Arturo</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:57 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Evaluation/Ranking</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><SPAN class="570135513-25102007">I see George Asteris and John Fuqua with 1000</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><SPAN class="570135513-25102007"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><SPAN class="570135513-25102007">-A</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR> <DIV class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"> <HR tabindex="-1"> <FONT face="Tahoma" size="2"><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mike Hester<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:52 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Evaluation/Ranking<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">I don't see no 1000....so who won the round? =P</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">-M</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="vanputte@cox.net" href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:36 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Evaluation/Ranking</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Just as in looking at a pilot's normalized score, the judge evaluation program rates the judges relative to a 1000 "perfect" score. You need to look at whether a judge is low on placing, on scoring or on both. It is possible, but looking at individual maneuver scores would be very difficult, since there's so much data out there. <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV>Ron</DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:27 AM, <A href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A> wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV>Ron,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is a lot of work. Looks nice. Thanks to the evaluation/ranking committee.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, I have a question. How we can use this results to improve our judging? For example, I noticed that I did well in one set but not so well in the other. Just wondering if there is a way to know in which maneuvers I was having more problems.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class="signature" id="signature">--<BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Ron Van Putte <<A href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</A>> <BR>The NSRCA judge evaluation/ranking committee (Tony Stillman, Matt Kebabjian and Ron Van Putte, with Don Ramsey acting as an advisor and doing most of the tabulation work), have posted the latest methodology and scores of the NSRCA Judge Evaluation program on <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><A href="http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/judging.htm"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000e3">http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/judging.htm</FONT></A> Scroll down to the bottom left of the page.</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Please understand that this is a work-in-progress and, since results from each competition are manually entered into the final listing, errors will occur. As errors are discovered, they will be fixed.</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Ron Van Putte</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 37px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: -37px"><B></B><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 37px; TEXT-INDENT: -37px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">Ron Van Putte <<A href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</A>></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 34px; TEXT-INDENT: -34px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">October 24, 2007 10:05:51 PM CDT</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 21px; TEXT-INDENT: -21px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">NSRCA Mailing List <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 50px; TEXT-INDENT: -50px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3"><B>[NSRCA-discussion] Judge Evaluation/Ranking</B></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">_______________________________________________</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">NSRCA-discussion mailing list</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV><DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV> <BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><HR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">NSRCA-discussion mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>