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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289190020-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>If you used standard high/low discards then with a 5 judge
panel - 2 judges scores will be discarded on every maneuver. Is that
fair? That is 40% of judges scores being discarded... how would you feel
about judging if your scores were being discarded on a regular basis like
that? With TBL the probability is over 90% of judges scores will be kept
(on a 5 judge panel) - that makes the judge feel a little more appreciated,
don't you think?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289190020-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=289190020-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Any judge that plays it "safe" is doing themselves a
disservice as well as the pilots they are judging.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Del K.
Rykert<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 19, 2007 11:22 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Judging<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I feel the same way Jerry..
Having nailed someone for a top hat down upright, 2 spins for 3 turn, extra half
roll.. not doing next proper maneuver.etc.. etc.. Have zeroed 3 maneuvers
in row before pilot gets back in proper sequence. We all know the
drill. But the judge that catches them who is also doing it right is the
one who is penalized.. Sure makes one want to man the judges chair doesn't
it.. If all your work and effort to do the job right is just going to be
thrown out because someone feels the judge who scored low is wrong is not
sending the right message to those who try to be honest and accountable
judges. What is promoted is the old play it safe and throw out a 7 or 8
and all are happy. Well except for the pilot who cares... <tic agn>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
Del</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=JAStebbins@worldnet.att.net
href="mailto:JAStebbins@worldnet.att.net">Jerry Stebbins</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">Discussion -NSRCA</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 19, 2007 1:03
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Judging</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Derek, I followed your summary pretty well until
the first sentence in the third paragraph. "system works very well and in the
end the correct order of finish is picked- which is what we want"
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Where is "correct " quantified? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Who says what is "correct"? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What says that one judge being low on a maneuver
is "wrong"/</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sounds more like the scenario previously
mentioned as the "7 to 9 syndrome" is the safe way to score.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How many times have you scored a zero and others
gave a score-in error- because the pilot rolled the wrong way? By the way
throwing out the old requirement that the judges confer on zeros has only
helped get us in this "perceived" problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sure sounds like a "dry lab" approach to me! Easy
to massage data and the algorithms</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2> to
"prove" the result desired. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I went through the dataseveral years ago, that
was available-and it was not all-on the "Judges ratings", and got the
same gut feeling.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What the pilot sees/flies, and his caller sees,
and what each judge sees are seldom the same for a multitude of reasons.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also as a judge, have you ever had a "watcher"
come up after a flight and say how great the flight was- and you had just
given several zeros/low scores. Amazing how they change their perspective when
you point out the obvious errors. That is assuming your memory hasn't blanked
out the past pilot yet, and now you are getting ready for the
next.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jerry</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com href="">Derek Koopowitz</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3
Championship - Scoring SystemOverhaul-LONG</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=156491504-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>TBL - scores go back to the pilots as is... raw.
TBL is only factored once a round is finished and the results
calculated. With TBL scores are adjusted to the whole score and result
in whole numbers. Remember, the entire score isn't thrown out - just a
maneuver score. When a score is dropped then TBL is run on the entire
set of scores again to recalculate the mean and std. deviation - it is an
iterative process until all scores fall within the range that are calculated
for the pilots/judges.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=156491504-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=156491504-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>TBL was used at the TOC for all years starting in 1999
onwards. It has been used at the WC since 2001 (I
think).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=156491504-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=156491504-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Bottom line - the system works very well and in the end
the correct order of finish is picked - which is what we want. In
all the years of scoring with TBL at the TOC I saw very few judges scores
discarded which probably says more about the quality of judging than
anything else. I'd be very curious what the results have been at the
F3A WC's since it was implemented.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=156491504-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=156491504-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I would love to see TBL in use at the Nats for the
Finals in both classes - we certainly have enough judges to support its
use.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>rcmaster199@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:51
PM<BR><B>To:</B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] D3 Championship - Scoring System
Overhaul-LONG<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN contentEditable=false
style="DISPLAY: inline-block"></SPAN>Earl,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If I remember correctly, some of the results from the Judge Evaluation
have been presented either in the KF or the website in past years.
But I haven't seen any results posted lately. Perhaps you are
right...posting might serve a purpose.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Curious...in the TBL method, do the adjustments to a judge's scores
come in whole or fractional numbers? How are the scoresheets that are given
back to the pilots handled.....I mean, do they show adjusted scores or as
judged? Or both?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Koop, was TBL used in the TOC? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If we have access to the algorithm, I wouldn't mind taking a peek of
how the 2007 F3A Nats Final could turn out. I would bet that it wouldn't
make much difference on where the pilots placed.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Matt</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Earl Haury
<ejhaury@comcast.net><BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Thu, Oct 18 10:24
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3 Championship - Scoring System
Overhaul -LONG<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>We miss an opportunity for judges to evaluate
their performance by not distributing the results of the analysis of
that performance (at major meets). I, for one, would like the judges
performance data to be published in the K-Factor (after all - the pilots
scores are published). However, realizing that some are squeamish about
this, I think that we should still provide each judge with the analysis of
his / her specific performance. At least, each judge would then have an
indication of their current skills and any variation over the
years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com href="">Derek Koopowitz</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3
Championship - Scoring System Overhaul -LONG</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=296224900-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I'll post my dissertation on TBL again since this
issue seems to crop up time and time again...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=296224900-19102007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=296224900-19102007>
<DIV
style="mso-element: dropcap-dropped; mso-element-frame-hspace: 3.0pt; mso-element-wrap: auto; mso-element-anchor-vertical: paragraph; mso-element-anchor-horizontal: column; mso-height-rule: exactly; mso-element-linespan: 3"><FONT
face=Garamond><SPAN class=296224900-19102007>T</SPAN>he Tarasov-Bauer-Long
(TBL) Scoring method has been around since the 1970’s.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It has been used in the full size
arena since 1978 and has been used at every full size IAC World
Championship since 1980.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The
TBL method applies proven statistical probability theory to the judge’s
scores to resolve style differences and bias, and to avoid the inclusion
of potential faulty judgements in contest results.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>To understand just why we need
TBL, and how it works, is if considerable importance to us all.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is important to the pilots
because it is there to reduce the prospect of unsatisfactory judgements
affecting their results, and it is important for judges because it will
introduce a completely new dimension of scrutiny into the sequence totals,
and it will also discreetly engage the attention of the Chief Judge, or
Contest Director, if the judges conclusions differ sufficiently from all
those other judges on the same panel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 12pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left"
align=left><FONT face=Garamond>When people get together to judge how well
a pre-defined competitive task is being tackled, the range of opinions is
often diverse.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This is
entirely natural among humans where the critique of any display of skill
relies on the interpretation of rapidly changing visual cues.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In order to minimize the prospect
of any “way out opinions” having too much effect on the result, it is
usual to average the accumulated scores to arrive at a final assessment,
which takes everybody’s opinion into account.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Unfortunately this averaging
approach can achieve the opposite of what we really want, which is to
identify, and where needed, remove those “way out opinions” because they
are the ones most likely to be ill-judged and therefore should be
discarded, leaving the rest to determine the more appropriate
result.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 12pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left"
align=left><FONT face=Garamond>In aerobatics the process of judging
according to the rulebook normally leads to a series of generally similar
personal views.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>However, one
judge’s downgrading may be harsher or more lenient than the next, their
personal feelings toward each competitor or aircraft type may predispose
toward favor or dislike (bias), and they will almost certainly miss or see
things that other judges do not.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>How then can we “judge” the judges and so reach a conclusion, which
has good probability of acceptance by all the concerned
parties?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 12pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left"
align=left><FONT face=Garamond>The key word is <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">probability</I></B>, the concept of a
perceived level of confidence in collectively viewed judgements has
entered the frame.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What we
really mean is that we must be confident that opinions pitched outside
some pre-defined level of reasonable acceptability will be identified as
such and will not be used.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This sort of situation is the daily bread and butter of well
established probability theory which, when suitably applied, can produce a
very clear cut analysis of numerically expressed opinions provided that
the appropriate criteria have been carefully established
beforehand.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 12pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left"
align=left><FONT face=Garamond>What has been developed through several
previous editions is some arithmetic which addresses the judge’s raw
scores in such a way that any which are probably unfair are discarded with
an established level of confidence.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>To understand the process you need only accept some quite simple
arithmetic procedures, which are central to what is called “statistical
probability”.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 12pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left"
align=left><FONT face=Garamond>The TBL scoring system in effect does the
following:</FONT></DIV>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0.25in 12pt 0.75in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">·<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face=Garamond>Commonizes the judging
styles.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoListBullet2
style="MARGIN: 0in 0.25in 12pt 0.75in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
align=left><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">·<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face=Garamond>Computes TBL scores</FONT></DIV>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0.25in 12pt 0.75in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
align=left><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">·<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face=Garamond>Publishes results</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 12pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left"
align=left><FONT face=Garamond></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 12pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left"
align=left><FONT face=Garamond>Commonizing the judging styles involves
remodeling the scores to bring all the judging styles to a common format
and removing any natural bias between panel members.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Following some calculations, each
judge’s set of scores are squeezed or stretched and moved en-bloc up or
down so that the sets all show the same overall spread and have identical
averages (bias).<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Within each
set the pilot order and score progression must remain unaltered, but now
valid score comparisons are possible between all the panel judges on
behalf of each pilot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 12pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left"
align=left><FONT face=Garamond>Computing the TBL score involves looking at
the high and low scores in each pilot’s set and throws out any that are
too “far out” to be fair.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>This is done by subtracting the average for the set from each one
and dividing the result by the “sample standard deviation” - if the result
of this sum is greater than 1.645 then according to statistical
probability theory we can be at least 90% confident that it is unfair, so
the score is discarded.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This
calculation and the mathematically derived 1.645 criteria is the key to
the correctness of the TBL process, and is based on many years of
experience by the full size aerobatics organization with contest scores at
all levels.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The discarding of
any scores of course changes for a pilot the average and standard
deviation of their remaining results, and so the whole process is
repeated.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>After several
cycles any “unfair” scores will have gone, and those that remain will all
satisfy the essential 90% confidence criteria.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 12pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left"
align=left><FONT face=Garamond>Publishing the results is derived by
averaging each pilot’s scores.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>The final TBL iteration therefore has any appropriate penalty/bonus
values applied and the results are then sorted in order of descent of the
total scores to rank the pilots first to last.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These final scores may, or may
not, be normalized to 1000 points, depending on the setting for the
selected class.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 12pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left"
align=left><FONT face=Garamond>Educating and improving the judges is a
useful by-product of this process in that it provides all the bells and
whistles how each judge has performed by comparison with the overall
judging panel average and when seen against the 90% level of confidence
criteria.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The TBL system will
produce an analysis showing each judge the percentage of scores accepted
as “OK”, and a comparison with the panel style (spread of score) and bias
(average).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 12pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left"
align=left><FONT face=Garamond>Unfortunately TBL, by definition, brings
with it a 10% possibility of upsetting an honest judge’s day.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The trade-off is that we expect
not only to achieve a set of results with at least 90% confidence that are
“fair” every time, but that the system also provides us with a wonderful
tool to address our judging standards.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>TBL will ensure that every judge’s
opinion has equal weight, and that each sequence score by each judge is
accepted only if it lies within an acceptable margin from the panel
average.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>TBL, however, by
necessity takes the dominant judging panel view as the “correct” one and
it can’t make right scores out of wrong ones.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If 6 out of 8 judges are
distracted and make a mess out of one pilots efforts, then for TBL this
becomes the controlling assessment of that pilots performance, and the
other 2 diligent judges who got it right will see their scores
unceremoniously zapped.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In
practice this would be extremely unusual - from the judging line it is
almost impossible to deliberately upset the final results without
collusion between a majority of the judges, and if that starts to happen
then someone is definitely on the wrong planet.</FONT></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [<A
href="">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B>On Behalf
Of </B><A href="">vicenterc@comcast.net</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday,
October 18, 2007 8:11 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3 Championship - Scoring
System Overhaul<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Tony,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Do you know if the TBL system eliminates the high and low
scores? I think that is a good solution but we can not do it in
local contests. Probably we could in some contests since we have
many Masters vs. F3A. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Do you know "link" where we can read about TBL system?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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