<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I "sorta" call it when I do the wrong maneuver. I was having a particularly bad day last weekend at the D-3 Championships and one of the judges commented after a flight that I made it easy for him to write down a zero. Whenever I said, "Sh-t", he'd just put down a zero.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Ron</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 19, 2007, at 3:42 PM, J N Hiller wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN class="EmailStyle15"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">I usually just call it when I fly it. I know, I shouldn’t do that but I don’t want a score I don’t deserve.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN class="EmailStyle15"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Jim Hiller <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN class="EmailStyle15"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">-----Original Message-----<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">From:</SPAN></B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Derek Koopowitz<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, October 19, 2007 1:05 PM<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging</SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">How about the pilot confessing to their zeros after they land? Hold them accountable...</SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:center"><FONT size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> <HR size="2" width="100%" align="center"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"><B><FONT size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; color:black"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bob Richards<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, October 19, 2007 12:07 PM<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging</SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt: windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">At the Don Lowe Masters, they had a rather large panel of judges. There were actually two groups, one group judged the quality of the manuever flown. The other, smaller group of judges were the "zero" judges. They only judged that the correct manuever was flown, and awarded only 10 or 0. If the zero judges awarded a zero, that would over-ride the quality judges. It would be nice if we could do that at local meets.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Now that I think of it, why not?? It has been mentioned before that the FAI flyers could judge themselves, this would be a way for that to happen. Let the FAI pilots be the zero judges. If anyone knows whether the correct maneuver was flown, it would be them. Then the masters flyers that are judging FAI would only have to judge the quality of the maneuver. You would not need all the FAI pilots judge each round, just a couple would do. They could confer with each other during the round to agree on a zero or not.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The more I think about this, the more I like it.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Bob R.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><FONT size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><BR> <BR> <B><I><SPAN style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">"Del K. Rykert" <<A href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</A>></SPAN></I></B> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV style="border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;margin-left:40.2pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I feel the same way Jerry.. Having nailed someone for a top hat down upright, 2 spins for 3 turn, extra half roll.. not doing next proper maneuver.etc.. etc.. Have zeroed 3 maneuvers in row before pilot gets back in proper sequence. We all know the drill. But the judge that catches them who is also doing it right is the one who is penalized.. Sure makes one want to man the judges chair doesn't it.. If all your work and effort to do the job right is just going to be thrown out because someone feels the judge who scored low is wrong is not sending the right message to those who try to be honest and accountable judges. What is promoted is the old play it safe and throw out a 7 or 8 and all are happy. Well except for the pilot who cares... <tic agn> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;margin-left:40.2pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;margin-left:40.2pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #1010FF 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> Del</SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> <DIV style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;margin-left:44.4pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color="black"><SPAN style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">NSRCA-discussion mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>