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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm a little confused/perplexed as to why it seems
to be felt that moving to Masters from FAI will cause the disparity to
disappear. It just might be possible that there may be some additional
disappointment in your future.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>100 point disparity does sound extreme and maybe
indicates a need for some specific training.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=kerlock@comcast.net href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net">Mike Hester</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:24
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3
Championship</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>He's not alone. Although he probably should work
on the delivery ;)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would support any of the 5 proposals that Ryan
listed. Judging FAI can be frustrating enough, but to be told you're not
getting it right when you're already doing everything you know how to do,
that's a hard pill to swallow regardless of the statement's
accuracy.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You guys out there do need to realize these guys
can fly...and are very good...problem is they're flying against this Jason
dude, travels a lot, flys all the time, might even have a national title or 2
along the way, not sure. I'm sure you know the type. *ahem*</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Because my wife generally keeps scores in D3, we
have some pretty good access to each and every score entered. I can tell you
guys without a doubt at times there are some SERIOUS differences in scores
between judges on the same round. I don't mean a little, I mean like 100
points on the RAW score. Even if this Jason character was flying straight 10s,
the differences if you work them out mean the others are barely flying a
straight line....and that's not the case. I have no doubt these guys don't
think they should be beating Jason in a 6 round contest where 2 of the rounds
are "F" rounds, but I am sure most people would agree the scoring could use
some improvements.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Being one of these evil incompetent D3 masters
judges *ahem* I would certainly support more of a cooperative effort than some
kind of protest. I have been very supportive of all the FAI guys and
especially the scoring, and am usually the guys everybody throws something at
during a judging seminar because I'm trying to clarify something that effects
mainly FAI. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think to identify the "problem" will take a
willingness to recognize that the situation is caused by a LOT of factors, not
any one or two. If anyone's interested, I'll outline the ones I see clearly.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not sure if this will all have the intended
effect that jim was looking for in the end, but if nothing else it does draw
some attention to a situation and we should have a closer look. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for me, soon I'll be practicing, bracing for
the onslought of FAI pilots come to masters to punish me =)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ryan_mclaughlin@ml.com
href="mailto:ryan_mclaughlin@ml.com">McLaughlin, Ryan (FRS.JAX)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:50
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3
Championship</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=500075017-17102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
didn't want you to stand alone in this...it's too
important.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Woodward, Jim<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:31
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is my first post to the
NSRCA list as I am a bit 'internet shy', but I thought I might be able to
add some value to the FAI judging discussion <ST1:PERSONNAME
w:st="on">Jim</ST1:PERSONNAME> W started. Although I tend to err on
the side of diplomacy : ), I believe the feelings <ST1:PERSONNAME
w:st="on">Jim</ST1:PERSONNAME> expressed are legitimate and shared by many
FAI competitors throughout the country. As a long time participant,
I realize that bias is not a new problem but I do not think we should
accept this is as a "fact of life" and move on. I think we have an
excellent opportunity here and we should make the most of
it.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The primary issue to address
in my opinion is not disparity in judging standards between judges, though
as Earl points out, this is important. Rather, it is the different
standard applied to pilots within one score set--i.e.. scoring a pilot
lower or higher based on who he is. Our penchant for creating
"superstars" is the most discouraging aspect of FAI competition. To
remedy this, we must all make a conscious decision to change a long
established tradition in our sport. Are we ready to take this
on?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Complaining isn't the answer
and neither is staying quiet, a mistake that has made the FAI competitors
as responsible as anyone else for the situation. To this end, I
submit for your review the following ideas to specifically target the FAI
bias issue:</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1. Sacrifice one FAI round per
contest to serve as an "open" round for all contestants expected to judge
FAI during the event. Allow everyone to compare notes and use this
as a coaching opportunity.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2. Drop one FAI pilot to
Masters at each contest to serve as a judge for all rounds and use
volunteers from other classes to serve as the others. This would
have to be an agreement made among FAI
pilots.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3. Extend the pilots
meeting to go over specific issues, maybe a new one or two every meet
rather than just pointing out the landing zone, etc. Make a "mini"
judging seminar mandatory each contest.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4. Certify judges for
FAI on a volunteer basis and only use "certified" judges in the
contest.</SPAN></FONT> <O:P></O:P></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">5. Utilize peer judging,
in other words, have FAI pilots judge themselves. If a pilot is not
flying, he is judging his fellow competitors.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Some of this may seem radical,
but I believe there is room for a bit of this. Pattern belongs to us
right? I welcome any ideas or critique anyone can offer. I
will clarify any of the above upon request.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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consideration.</SPAN></FONT> <O:P></O:P></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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