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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>OK…I probably shouldn’t start
this, but I will…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I haven’t read all the threads, but
I have read the ones below in this series.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The NSRCA has already set the standard and
a method to determine judging bias and has held a NSRCA member accountable to
this standard this year and the AMA sanctioned the individual. This is fact….Agree
with the method to determine bias (or not) it was used to impose an AMA
sanction on a member.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>IMHO this discussion suggests that bias
has occurred in the D3 championship or possibly another at the same level FAI.
If this is the case the NSRCA must review this and apply the same discipline
using the same measurables to provide for the same sanctions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If the NSRCA is unwilling to investigate
or isn’t willing to use the same method to determine bias, then clearly
we (the NSRCA and AMA) have disenfranchised a NSRCA member and should rethink
his sanction.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Our rules and penalties must check and
balance. Then they must be applied to all members equally regardless of status
in membership. This is the only way to reduce / eliminate bias. I’m also
unwilling to entertain the thought the District Championship is any less
important to the NATS. They are both sanctioned contests ran by a CD
accountable to the AMA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Flame suit on…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Larry
Diamond</span></font></st1:PersonName><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net" title="kerlock@comcast.net">Mike Hester</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday, October
17, 2007 2:24 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] D3 Championship<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>He's not alone. Although he probably should work on the
delivery ;)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I would support any of the 5 proposals that Ryan listed.
Judging FAI can be frustrating enough, but to be told you're not getting it
right when you're already doing everything you know how to do, that's a hard
pill to swallow regardless of the statement's accuracy.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>You guys out there do need to realize these guys can
fly...and are very good...problem is they're flying against this Jason dude,
travels a lot, flys all the time, might even have a national title or 2 along
the way, not sure. I'm sure you know the type. *ahem*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Because my wife generally keeps scores in D3, we have some
pretty good access to each and every score entered. I can tell you guys without
a doubt at times there are some SERIOUS differences in scores between judges on
the same round. I don't mean a little, I mean like 100 points on the RAW score.
Even if this Jason character was flying straight 10s, the differences if you
work them out mean the others are barely flying a straight line....and that's
not the case. I have no doubt these guys don't think they should be beating
Jason in a 6 round contest where 2 of the rounds are "F" rounds, but
I am sure most people would agree the scoring could use some improvements.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Being one of these evil incompetent D3 masters judges *ahem*
I would certainly support more of a cooperative effort than some kind of
protest. I have been very supportive of all the FAI guys and especially the
scoring, and am usually the guys everybody throws something at during a judging
seminar because I'm trying to clarify something that effects mainly FAI. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I think to identify the "problem" will take a
willingness to recognize that the situation is caused by a <st1:place w:st="on">LOT</st1:place>
of factors, not any one or two. If anyone's interested, I'll outline the ones I
see clearly. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I'm not sure if this will all have the intended effect that
jim was looking for in the end, but if nothing else it does draw some attention
to a situation and we should have a closer look. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As for me, soon I'll be practicing, bracing for the
onslought of FAI pilots come to masters to punish me =)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-Mike</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:ryan_mclaughlin@ml.com" title="ryan_mclaughlin@ml.com">McLaughlin,
Ryan (FRS.JAX)</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday, October
17, 2007 1:50 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] D3 Championship<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I didn't want you to stand alone in
this...it's too important.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Woodward, Jim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 17, 2007
1:31 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3
Championship</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ryan M.,<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><O:P></O:P>I think this takes the cake as
a first time nsrca-list email. Thank you for the support.<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><ST1:PERSONNAME u1:st="on"><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim</ST1:PERSONNAME>
W.<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>McLaughlin, Ryan (FRS.JAX)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 17, 2007
1:19 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion] D3
Championship</span></font><O:P></O:P><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><O:P></O:P>This is my first post to the NSRCA
list as I am a bit 'internet shy', but I thought I might be able to add some
value to the FAI judging discussion <ST1:PERSONNAME u1:st="on">Jim</ST1:PERSONNAME>
W started. Although I tend to err on the side of diplomacy : ), I believe
the feelings <ST1:PERSONNAME u1:st="on">Jim</ST1:PERSONNAME> expressed are
legitimate and shared by many FAI competitors throughout the country. As
a long time participant, I realize that bias is not a new problem but I do not
think we should accept this is as a "fact of life" and move on.
I think we have an excellent opportunity here and we should make the most of it.</span></font><O:P></O:P><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>The primary issue to address in my opinion is
not disparity in judging standards between judges, though as Earl points out,
this is important. Rather, it is the different standard applied to pilots
within one score set--i.e.. scoring a pilot lower or higher based on who he
is. Our penchant for creating "superstars" is the most
discouraging aspect of FAI competition. To remedy this, we must all make
a conscious decision to change a long established tradition in our sport.
Are we ready to take this on?</span></font><O:P></O:P><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Complaining isn't the answer and neither is
staying quiet, a mistake that has made the FAI competitors as responsible as
anyone else for the situation. To this end, I submit for your review the
following ideas to specifically target the FAI bias issue:</span></font><O:P></O:P><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><O:P></O:P>1. Sacrifice one FAI round per
contest to serve as an "open" round for all contestants expected to
judge FAI during the event. Allow everyone to compare notes and use this
as a coaching opportunity.</span></font><O:P></O:P><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>2. Drop one FAI pilot to Masters at each
contest to serve as a judge for all rounds and use volunteers from other
classes to serve as the others. This would have to be an agreement made
among FAI pilots.</span></font><O:P></O:P><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>3. Extend the pilots meeting to go over
specific issues, maybe a new one or two every meet rather than just pointing
out the landing zone, etc. Make a "mini" judging seminar
mandatory each contest.</span></font><O:P></O:P><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>4. Certify judges for FAI on a volunteer
basis and only use "certified" judges in the contest.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font><O:P></O:P></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>5. Utilize peer judging, in other words,
have FAI pilots judge themselves. If a pilot is not flying, he is judging
his fellow competitors.</span></font><O:P></O:P><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><O:P></O:P>Some of this may seem radical, but I
believe there is room for a bit of this. Pattern belongs to us
right? I welcome any ideas or critique anyone can offer. I will
clarify any of the above upon request.</span></font><O:P></O:P><font
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<p><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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