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<FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>The reality here it that the high variances fall into two camps. Spurious zeros awarded by “Snap and Spin Nazi’s” (not my term) which we all prefer to avoid, some of which are valid, but personally I’m an advocate (and would love a rule change) to make most of those severe downgrades rather than a zero, and the other is wrong maneuvers that are flown, but get scored. This is maybe the more painful error as everyone, EVERYONE is in 100% agreement of what the score should be... And yet TBL would normally throw out the zero when the other 5 judges gave 8’s. The semi’s at the nats come to mind...but we wont go there.<BR>
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It happens. And I’m betting we have ALL done it (given a score for a maneuver that was the wrong maneuver...or missed that 4th spin), and we’ve probably all had it done too us. I can hear my caller now...”Shhhhhh...just keep flying...you’ll get scored.” To pretend we can completely eliminate it is foolish, but to pretend that throwing out the odd low score is the “right” thing to do is equally foolish.<BR>
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On 10/18/07 1:23 PM, "J N Hiller" <jnhiller@earthlink.net> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR="#993366"><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>I am of the opinion that the high score may be no more valid than the low score and using an average reduces the effect. The only way to gain a higher degree of accuracy is to use more judges.<BR>
True, a high difference between judges is cause for concern but often times after judging several flights judges may not be able to recall the specifics behind a posted score. Statistical evaluation by maneuver may be a more valid assessment of judge training deficiencies rather than focusing on individual judge’s performance. Sanctioning a judge only encourages him to pass on judging opportunities.<BR>
Tossing out high or low scores encourages 7,8,9 scoring making it excessively difficult to get a separation between pilots of comparable ability not to mention the insult to the judge.<BR>
As for using all rounds, that is a very unforgiving environment. I could probably live in this world but a zero could put any close competitor out of the game even if it was a judging error.<BR>
I am not in D3 and should probably stay out of this but I have seen judging disapproval since I began flying pattern in about 1980. This is why some capable pilots elect to compete in Pylon instead of pattern.<BR>
Jim Hiller<BR>
Spokane WA.<BR>
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<B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</a><B>On Behalf Of </B>Woodward, Jim<BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:26 AM<BR>
<B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3 Championship - Scoring System Overhaul<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080"><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Guys - <BR>
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1.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Why do we average judge’s scores together? <BR>
a.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>The whole system is predicated on judges being competent/consistent/correct/un-biased. If this first rule is violated ranging from small to 100 point raw score difference, the idea of now “averaging” the score also has no validity.<BR>
b.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Why not just let each judge’s score stand as is, unaltered, and produce two normalized scores per round?<BR>
c.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Averaging the scores together may be doing a disservice to everyone.<BR>
d.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>You would basically have two sets of scores per round. IE you may end up with 1000 points on one card, and an 800 on the other. <BR>
e.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>This would identify immediately any cause for concern.<BR>
f.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Would it provide an immediate training tool back to our system of pilots, judges, and CD?<BR>
g.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Attempting to “un-average” the scores to determine what happened takes place anyway on the flight line, after the scores are printed. <BR>
2.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Are we asking too much from judges?<BR>
a.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Is applying downgrades, then counting backwards from 10, in the context of “turnaround” pattern where maneuvers can happen back-to-back quickly, too difficult across the full spectrum of competitor/judges?<BR>
3.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Dropping Rounds:<BR>
a.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Is this still a good idea? <BR>
b.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>I wouldn’t mind dropping one round, but it was explained to me last night that this is an artifact from the days of when people would break a prop on touch-n-goes, and in general lower equipment reliability. <BR>
c.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>In the age of higher equipment reliability, is the ‘round-drop’ scenarios still good, left as is?<BR>
4.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Dropping Rounds – Take 2:<BR>
a.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>In the context of point #1, maybe we should be allowed to drop the lowest scored judge from each round, versus the entire round. <BR>
b.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Why should the pilot drop the entire round, when one judge may have scored him 1000 points, and the other 800?<BR>
c.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>If you end up with a tie at the end, you just keep counting “1000’s” until the other pilot runs out – tie is now “untied.”<BR>
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I hope some smart guys can chime in on potential over-hauling idea. <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Tahoma"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</a> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Lisa & Larry<BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:27 PM<BR>
<B>To:</B> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3 Championship<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000080"><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>OK…I probably shouldn’t start this, but I will…<BR>
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I haven’t read all the threads, but I have read the ones below in this series.<BR>
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The NSRCA has already set the standard and a method to determine judging bias and has held a NSRCA member accountable to this standard this year and the AMA sanctioned the individual. This is fact….Agree with the method to determine bias (or not) it was used to impose an AMA sanction on a member.<BR>
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IMHO this discussion suggests that bias has occurred in the D3 championship or possibly another at the same level FAI. If this is the case the NSRCA must review this and apply the same discipline using the same measurables to provide for the same sanctions.<BR>
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If the NSRCA is unwilling to investigate or isn’t willing to use the same method to determine bias, then clearly we (the NSRCA and AMA) have disenfranchised a NSRCA member and should rethink his sanction.<BR>
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Our rules and penalties must check and balance. Then they must be applied to all members equally regardless of status in membership. This is the only way to reduce / eliminate bias. I’m also unwilling to entertain the thought the District Championship is any less important to the NATS. They are both sanctioned contests ran by a CD accountable to the AMA.<BR>
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Flame suit on…<BR>
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Larry Diamond<BR>
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<B>From:</B> Mike Hester <a href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net"><mailto:kerlock@comcast.net></a> <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:24 PM<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3 Championship<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>He's not alone. Although he probably should work on the delivery ;)<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>I would support any of the 5 proposals that Ryan listed. Judging FAI can be frustrating enough, but to be told you're not getting it right when you're already doing everything you know how to do, that's a hard pill to swallow regardless of the statement's accuracy.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>You guys out there do need to realize these guys can fly...and are very good...problem is they're flying against this Jason dude, travels a lot, flys all the time, might even have a national title or 2 along the way, not sure. I'm sure you know the type. *ahem*<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Because my wife generally keeps scores in D3, we have some pretty good access to each and every score entered. I can tell you guys without a doubt at times there are some SERIOUS differences in scores between judges on the same round. I don't mean a little, I mean like 100 points on the RAW score. Even if this Jason character was flying straight 10s, the differences if you work them out mean the others are barely flying a straight line....and that's not the case. I have no doubt these guys don't think they should be beating Jason in a 6 round contest where 2 of the rounds are "F" rounds, but I am sure most people would agree the scoring could use some improvements.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Being one of these evil incompetent D3 masters judges *ahem* I would certainly support more of a cooperative effort than some kind of protest. I have been very supportive of all the FAI guys and especially the scoring, and am usually the guys everybody throws something at during a judging seminar because I'm trying to clarify something that effects mainly FAI. <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>I think to identify the "problem" will take a willingness to recognize that the situation is caused by a LOT of factors, not any one or two. If anyone's interested, I'll outline the ones I see clearly. <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>I'm not sure if this will all have the intended effect that jim was looking for in the end, but if nothing else it does draw some attention to a situation and we should have a closer look. <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>As for me, soon I'll be practicing, bracing for the onslought of FAI pilots come to masters to punish me =)<BR>
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<B>From:</B> McLaughlin, Ryan (FRS.JAX) <a href="mailto:ryan_mclaughlin@ml.com"><mailto:ryan_mclaughlin@ml.com></a> <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:50 PM<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3 Championship<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>I didn't want you to stand alone in this...it's too important.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Tahoma"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>-----Original Message-----<BR>
<B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</a> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Woodward, Jim<BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:31 PM<BR>
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<B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3 Championship<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'><FONT COLOR="#000080"><FONT FACE="Arial">Ryan M.,<BR>
I think this takes the cake as a first time nsrca-list email. Thank you for the support.<BR>
Jim W.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Tahoma"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</a> <B>On Behalf Of </B>McLaughlin, Ryan (FRS.JAX)<BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:19 PM<BR>
<B>To:</B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] D3 Championship<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'><FONT FACE="Arial">This is my first post to the NSRCA list as I am a bit 'internet shy', but I thought I might be able to add some value to the FAI judging discussion Jim W started. Although I tend to err on the side of diplomacy : ), I believe the feelings Jim expressed are legitimate and shared by many FAI competitors throughout the country. As a long time participant, I realize that bias is not a new problem but I do not think we should accept this is as a "fact of life" and move on. I think we have an excellent opportunity here and we should make the most of it.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>The primary issue to address in my opinion is not disparity in judging standards between judges, though as Earl points out, this is important. Rather, it is the different standard applied to pilots within one score set--i.e.. scoring a pilot lower or higher based on who he is. Our penchant for creating "superstars" is the most discouraging aspect of FAI competition. To remedy this, we must all make a conscious decision to change a long established tradition in our sport. Are we ready to take this on?<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Complaining isn't the answer and neither is staying quiet, a mistake that has made the FAI competitors as responsible as anyone else for the situation. To this end, I submit for your review the following ideas to specifically target the FAI bias issue:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>1. Sacrifice one FAI round per contest to serve as an "open" round for all contestants expected to judge FAI during the event. Allow everyone to compare notes and use this as a coaching opportunity.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>2. Drop one FAI pilot to Masters at each contest to serve as a judge for all rounds and use volunteers from other classes to serve as the others. This would have to be an agreement made among FAI pilots.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>3. Extend the pilots meeting to go over specific issues, maybe a new one or two every meet rather than just pointing out the landing zone, etc. Make a "mini" judging seminar mandatory each contest.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>4. Certify judges for FAI on a volunteer basis and only use "certified" judges in the contest.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'> <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>5. Utilize peer judging, in other words, have FAI pilots judge themselves. If a pilot is not flying, he is judging his fellow competitors.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Some of this may seem radical, but I believe there is room for a bit of this. Pattern belongs to us right? I welcome any ideas or critique anyone can offer. I will clarify any of the above upon request.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Thank you for your consideration.</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'> <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:13.0px'>Ryan McLaughlin</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'> <BR>
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