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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Jim.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> Why must it be
assumed the judge who scored someone the lowest is the judge that should have
their score thrown out? I have seen more cases when the lower score
was correct versus the higher score was the one in error. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
Del</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jim.woodward@baesystems.com
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward, Jim</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:26
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3
Championship - Scoring System Overhaul</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Guys -
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<OL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" type=1>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Why do we average judge’s scores
together? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<OL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" type=a>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The whole system is predicated
on judges being competent/consistent/correct/un-biased. If this
first rule is violated ranging from small to 100 point raw score
difference, the idea of now “averaging” the score also has no
validity.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Why not just let each judge’s
score stand as is, unaltered, and produce two normalized scores per
round?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Averaging the scores together
may be doing a disservice to everyone.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You would basically have two
sets of scores per round. IE you may end up with 1000 points on one card,
and an 800 on the other. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This would identify
immediately any cause for concern.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Would it provide an immediate
training tool back to our system of pilots, judges, and
CD?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Attempting to “un-average” the
scores to determine what happened takes place anyway on the flight line,
after the scores are printed. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></LI></OL>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Are we asking too much from
judges?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<OL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" type=a>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is applying downgrades, then
counting backwards from 10, in the context of “turnaround” pattern where
maneuvers can happen back-to-back quickly, too difficult across the full
spectrum of competitor/judges?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </LI></OL>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dropping
Rounds:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<OL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" type=a>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is this still a good idea?
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I wouldn’t mind dropping one
round, but it was explained to me last night that this is an artifact from
the days of when people would break a prop on touch-n-goes, and in general
lower equipment reliability. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In the age of higher equipment
reliability, is the ‘round-drop’ scenarios still good, left as
is?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </LI></OL>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dropping Rounds – Take
2:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<OL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" type=a>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In the context of point #1,
maybe we should be allowed to drop the lowest scored judge from each
round, versus the entire round. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Why should the pilot drop the
entire round, when one judge may have scored him 1000 points, and the
other 800?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level2 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you end up with a tie at
the end, you just keep counting “1000’s” until the other pilot runs out –
tie is now “untied.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </LI></OL></LI></OL>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hope some smart
guys can chime in on potential over-hauling idea.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Lisa & Larry<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:27
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> '<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3
Championship</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OK…I probably
shouldn’t start this, but I will…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I haven’t read all
the threads, but I have read the ones below in this
series.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The NSRCA has
already set the standard and a method to determine judging bias and has held
a NSRCA member accountable to this standard this year and the AMA sanctioned
the individual. This is fact….Agree with the method to determine bias (or
not) it was used to impose an AMA sanction on a
member.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">IMHO this
discussion suggests that bias has occurred in the D3 championship or
possibly another at the same level FAI. If this is the case the NSRCA must
review this and apply the same discipline using the same measurables to
provide for the same sanctions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If the NSRCA is
unwilling to investigate or isn’t willing to use the same method to
determine bias, then clearly we (the NSRCA and AMA) have disenfranchised a
NSRCA member and should rethink his sanction.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Our rules and
penalties must check and balance. Then they must be applied to all members
equally regardless of status in membership. This is the only way to reduce /
eliminate bias. I’m also unwilling to entertain the thought the District
Championship is any less important to the NATS. They are both sanctioned
contests ran by a CD accountable to the AMA.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Flame suit
on…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Larry
Diamond</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=kerlock@comcast.net href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net">Mike Hester</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:24 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] D3 Championship<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">He's not alone. Although he
probably should work on the delivery ;)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would support any of the 5
proposals that Ryan listed. Judging FAI can be frustrating enough, but to be
told you're not getting it right when you're already doing everything you
know how to do, that's a hard pill to swallow regardless of the statement's
accuracy.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You guys out there do need to
realize these guys can fly...and are very good...problem is they're flying
against this Jason dude, travels a lot, flys all the time, might even have a
national title or 2 along the way, not sure. I'm sure you know the type.
*ahem*</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Because my wife generally keeps
scores in D3, we have some pretty good access to each and every score
entered. I can tell you guys without a doubt at times there are some SERIOUS
differences in scores between judges on the same round. I don't mean a
little, I mean like 100 points on the RAW score. Even if this Jason
character was flying straight 10s, the differences if you work them out mean
the others are barely flying a straight line....and that's not the case. I
have no doubt these guys don't think they should be beating Jason in a 6
round contest where 2 of the rounds are "F" rounds, but I am sure most
people would agree the scoring could use some
improvements.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Being one of these evil
incompetent D3 masters judges *ahem* I would certainly support more of a
cooperative effort than some kind of protest. I have been very supportive of
all the FAI guys and especially the scoring, and am usually the guys
everybody throws something at during a judging seminar because I'm trying to
clarify something that effects mainly FAI.
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think to identify the
"problem" will take a willingness to recognize that the situation is caused
by a <st1:place w:st="on">LOT</st1:place> of factors, not any one or two. If
anyone's interested, I'll outline the ones I see clearly.
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm not sure if this will all
have the intended effect that jim was looking for in the end, but if nothing
else it does draw some attention to a situation and we should have a closer
look. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As for me, soon I'll be
practicing, bracing for the onslought of FAI pilots come to masters to
punish me =)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Woodward,
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jim</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, October 17, 2007
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is my
first post to the NSRCA list as I am a bit 'internet shy', but I thought
I might be able to add some value to the FAI judging discussion
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jim</st1:PersonName> W started. Although
I tend to err on the side of diplomacy : ), I believe the feelings
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Jim</st1:PersonName> expressed are legitimate
and shared by many FAI competitors throughout the country. As a
long time participant, I realize that bias is not a new problem but I do
not think we should accept this is as a "fact of life" and move
on. I think we have an excellent opportunity here and we should
make the most of it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><ST1:PERSONNAME
u1:st="on"></ST1:PERSONNAME><ST1:PERSONNAME
u1:st="on"></ST1:PERSONNAME>The primary issue to address in my opinion
is not disparity in judging standards between judges, though as Earl
points out, this is important. Rather, it is the different
standard applied to pilots within one score set--i.e.. scoring a pilot
lower or higher based on who he is. Our penchant for creating
"superstars" is the most discouraging aspect of FAI competition.
To remedy this, we must all make a conscious decision to change a long
established tradition in our sport. Are we ready to take this
on?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Complaining
isn't the answer and neither is staying quiet, a mistake that has made
the FAI competitors as responsible as anyone else for the
situation. To this end, I submit for your review the following
ideas to specifically target the FAI bias
issue:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1. Sacrifice
one FAI round per contest to serve as an "open" round for all
contestants expected to judge FAI during the event. Allow everyone
to compare notes and use this as a coaching
opportunity.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2. Drop
one FAI pilot to Masters at each contest to serve as a judge for all
rounds and use volunteers from other classes to serve as the
others. This would have to be an agreement made among FAI
pilots.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3.
Extend the pilots meeting to go over specific issues, maybe a new one or
two every meet rather than just pointing out the landing zone,
etc. Make a "mini" judging seminar mandatory each
contest.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4.
Certify judges for FAI on a volunteer basis and only use "certified"
judges in the contest.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">5.
Utilize peer judging, in other words, have FAI pilots judge
themselves. If a pilot is not flying, he is judging his fellow
competitors.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Some of this
may seem radical, but I believe there is room for a bit of this.
Pattern belongs to us right? I welcome any ideas or critique
anyone can offer. I will clarify any of the above upon
request.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thank you for
your consideration.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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