<div>Don</div> <div> </div> <div>Are these AMA rules or FAI?</div> <div> </div> <div>If I pull a square loop and the first corner is tight and the other three are easier but the same I lose 3 pts rather than one? Who decided this?</div> <div> </div> <div>Tim<BR><BR><B><I>Don Ramsey <don.ramsey@suddenlink.net></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16544" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } </STYLE> <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name="place"
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margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} /* List Definitions */ @list l0 {mso-list-id:1068310901; mso-list-type:hybrid; mso-list-template-ids:-2108256992 67698703 67698713 67698715 67698703 67698713 67698715 67698703 67698713 67698715;} @list l0:level1 {mso-level-tab-stop:.5in; mso-level-number-position:left; text-indent:-.25in;} ol {margin-bottom:0in;} ul {margin-bottom:0in;} --> </STYLE> <DIV><FONT size=2>Jim,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>I think applying the normal standards of judging are very adequate. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- maneuver starts and ends with a straight line within 175 meters of flightline</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- radii equal, this is a big one. For 2008 the first radius determines the radii for all others in a maneuver.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- rolls on the center of lines</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- rolls rate
the same except in unlike rolls in the same maneuver (unsure this is in 2008 rules)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- rotation of the stall turn, 1/2 span is 1 pt down, 1 span is 2 pts, 1-1/2 is 3 points and more than 2 spans is a zero.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- wind correction in maneuvers, are they done in the same plane?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- centering</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- box violations including top of box violations</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- loops round and rolls started and ended at the proper points for rolling elements in a loop</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- distance out, 1 pt for further than 175 meters and 3 or more pts for more than 200 meters (except rolling circles)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- snaps along the geometry of the maneuver and all the other issues of snaps</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- spin, does not weathervane on entry, does not spiral, entry not forced, etc.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>-
1 pt per 15 degree rule</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- size of the maneuver relative to the size of other maneuvers and the position in the box</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>- smoothness and gracefulness</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>This is abreviated but this should be the criteria. I use only the criteria in the rules and apply it in a consistent unbiased manner. It's simple, read and know the rules and apply them.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Don</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jim.woodward@baesystems.com
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward, Jim</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:18 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3 FAI</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2> <DIV class=Section1> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In attempting to understand “how” the FAI scoring is delivered, I have made more rationalizations, hypothesis, or excuses for judges than anyone can imagine – which range from:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <OL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0in" type=1> <LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Maybe I suck
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT> <LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Intentional bias<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT> <LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Unintentional bias<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT> <LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ignorance of rules<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT> <LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“Impression”
judging<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT> </LI></OL> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What I am finally left to guess is that a hybrid method of judging is used by some FAI judges. Pure speculation (beware): When a pilot begins disrupting a maneuver by 20 + degrees of error, the judging standards are easily applied without too much difficulty. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">However – when more than one “outstanding” flight is being witnessed, some judges may
confuse their roll from “applying-downgrades”, to that of “determining a winner.” Determining winner is not what judges do. Normalization does that. In the instance of intensely good flying, the judges may be saying to themselves, “…. This maneuver is teetering on an 8 or 9, but I just watched person X fly and I know person X is better than person Y, so I need to score this an 8.” Of course, this is not accountable to our judging standards of code of ethics.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Again – this is just a WAG. I have made more attempts to understand, appreciate, support, and preserve the integrity of our institution as anyone possible could. At this point I
need the Masters pilots to speak to how they judge FAI. How do Masters pilots apply the 15 degree rule for instance??? I cannot really speak to what goes on in the FAI judges mind, but would like to know so that I can meet their standard as a new FAI judge.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;
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</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT color=black><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2> <DIV class=Section1> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2> <DIV class=Section1> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>schroetere@bellsouth.net<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:59 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3 FAI</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sounds like a good idea, Vince. We have at least a couple of east facing fields that we have to wait for the sun to vacate the box.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I agree with <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = ST1 /><ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">Gary</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>. Usually I see my
scores and I think it's more than I would have given myself. Judging is, to me, usually a tough thing to do and be correct. Things happen so quickly.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I absolutely agree with Jim that we all, as judges, need to be as fair as possible, regardless of the pilot flying. I'm not sure that I understand what you are saying with these statements...<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">7. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Normalization does its part to compare flyers, judges should not use RAW scores as the primary “real-time” comparative force while in the
process of judging. RAW scores should be independent of anyone entered in the contest or other factors.</SPAN></FONT><?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = U1 /><U1:P></U1:P> <O:P></O:P></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">and 1. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is not the responsibility of a judge to use “real-time” RAW score evaluations from maneuver to maneuver (against previous or future flights) to ensure an “order” is reached, or room is left at the top (…. If this is happening….)<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT> <O:P></O:P></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I too want to leave a contest with a good feeling. This weekend as an example,
I felt pretty good about finishing third. I flew fairly well, but not near as good as Joe and John. Anyway, please clarify what you are saying in the above statements. I'm not trying to be a smart &**, I just want to make sure I understand what you are saying.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Emory<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-------------- Original message from vicenterc@comcast.net: -------------- <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I think there is one possible solution: just more judging clinics and training. In the last contest at central <ST1:STATE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">Kansas</ST1:PLACE></ST1:STATE>, one good friend and experience pilot suggested that we should have judging clinics when we are waiting for the sun get out of the way. In our area, we usually wait until 11:00 AM to start the contest. We know that pattern flyers are usually early birds. We could have judging clinics between 9-10:30 AM both days. This is 3 hours of training in one weekend. I know that this is not necessarily the case for other districts or fields or when the contest is very well attended. I will say that this clinics are very
easy to implement when we have less than ~20 pilots registered. However, if there are more than 20 pilots just loosing a round to accommodate the judging clinic won't be a big problem.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Regards,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV id=signature> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">--<BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT:
medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Courtney, Gary Ray" <grcourtney@tva.gov> <BR><BR><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div><U1:SMARTTAGTYPE name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></U1:SMARTTAGTYPE><U1:SMARTTAGTYPE name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></U1:SMARTTAGTYPE><U1:SMARTTAGTYPE name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></U1:SMARTTAGTYPE><U1:SMARTTAGTYPE name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></U1:SMARTTAGTYPE> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Courtney, Gary Ray <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:07 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'schroetere'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [NSRCA-discussion] D3 FAI</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">yes! </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">All I can hope for is to please my hardest critic and judge (myself) because he truly knows what's being done in the air...That's why I very rarely look at the score sheets and standings they are always 4 or 5 points higher than I would give myself. It's like x-mas every contest. </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The ? mark was referring to the fact that I don't have a solution, Judging is not ever 100% perfect(human factor) it is what it is accept it or pull your hair out over it.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Having judged FAI on rare occasions, I can say it's not very enjoyable because the pressure I put on myself to try to be fair and consistent is considerable. just to many elements for my feeble brain to process...</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div
class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gary</SPAN></FONT></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><O:P></O:P></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> schroetere [mailto:schroetere@bellsouth.net] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:33 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Courtney, Gary Ray<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3 FAI</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I don't know, Jim started it and I just want to see where it goes. Did you read his email below?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message
----- <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> <div class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=grcourtney@tva.gov href="mailto:grcourtney@tva.gov">Courtney, Gary Ray</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:07 AM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3 FAI<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">gary</SPAN></FONT></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><O:P></O:P></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>schroetere<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:20 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Jim Woodward<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion] D3 FAI</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hey Jim, <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I debated with myself to respond to you or the list. But, since you brought this up here, I'd like to hear some more from you and others as well.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I know that
you are not alone in your frustration. We talked about this mid-season at length. I'm just not sure what can be done to "fix" judging differences. When it comes down to it, we are all human. Until we get some sort of camera hooked up to a computer, we will never have perfect judging. Even then, I'm sure someone will complain that the software algorithm that calculates the score isn't correct. All we as judges can do is sit down in the chair and do our best. Some times we get it right and some times we don't. It will never be better than that (my opinion).<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hate to see that you are feeling so beaten down that you feel a class switch is the only way to fix it. I have no doubt that you will have great success in Masters if that is what you choose. To me, all the guys flying FAI in our district should be there. You are all fantastic
pilots.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So, what needs to be fixed in your opinion and how should this be done? <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks, Emory<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message ----- <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> <div class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=jim.woodward@baesystems.com href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward, Jim</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=ryan_mclaughlin@ml.com href="mailto:ryan_mclaughlin@ml.com">McLaughlin, Ryan (FRS.JAX)</A> ; <A title=dist3@nsrca.org
href="mailto:dist3@nsrca.org">NSRCA District III</A> ; <A title=JWalker@ponikvar.com href="mailto:JWalker@ponikvar.com">Joseph Walker</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Monday, October 15, 2007 4:43 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3 Championship<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is my opinion that abject failure to score FAI rounds and standings accurately has been consistently occurring in District 3, punctuated by the final two contests of 2007 (JAX and D3 Champs). Recognizing these inequities in FAI, I look forward to joining the Masters class for the 2008 season beginning with the Tangerine. <U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><U1:P></U1:P>Copied from <A title=http://www.dictionary.com/ href="http://www.dictionary.com/">www.dictionary.com</A> Abject: </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div><U1:P></U1:P> <div class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN class=pg1><I><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#558811 size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">–adjective
</SPAN></FONT></I></SPAN><O:P></O:P></div><U1:P></U1:P> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable style="BACKGROUND: white; WIDTH: 100%" cellPadding=0 width="100%" bgColor=white border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; WIDTH: 0.25in; PADDING-TOP: 0in" vAlign=top width=24> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">1.<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 0in" vAlign=top> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#333333 size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">utterly hopeless, miserable, humiliating, or wretched: <SPAN class=ital-inline1><I>abject poverty. </I><U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <div
class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U1:P></U1:P><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable style="BACKGROUND: white; WIDTH: 100%" cellPadding=0 width="100%" bgColor=white border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; WIDTH: 0.25in; PADDING-TOP: 0in" vAlign=top width=24> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">2.<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 0in" vAlign=top> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#333333 size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">contemptible; despicable; base-spirited: <SPAN class=ital-inline1><I>an abject coward.
</I><U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U1:P></U1:P><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable style="BACKGROUND: white; WIDTH: 100%" cellPadding=0 width="100%" bgColor=white border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; WIDTH: 0.25in; PADDING-TOP: 0in" vAlign=top width=24> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">3.<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 0in" vAlign=top> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#333333 size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">shamelessly servile; slavish.
<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U1:P></U1:P><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable style="BACKGROUND: white; WIDTH: 100%" cellPadding=0 width="100%" bgColor=white border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; WIDTH: 0.25in; PADDING-TOP: 0in" vAlign=top width=24> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">4.<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 0in" vAlign=top> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=ital-inline1><I><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#333333 size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans
Unicode'">Obsolete</SPAN></FONT></I></SPAN><SPAN class=labset1><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#333333 size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#333333 size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">cast aside. <U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#333333 size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">Thank You,</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div><U1:P></U1:P> <div class=MsoNormal><?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = U2 /><U2:PERSONNAME u3:st="on"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim</U2:PERSONNAME> W.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><U1:P></U1:P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times
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