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<DIV><FONT size=2>Jim,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I think applying the normal standards of judging are very
adequate. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- maneuver starts and ends with a straight line within 175
meters of flightline</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- radii equal, this is a big one. For 2008 the first
radius determines the radii for all others in a maneuver.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- rolls on the center of lines</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- rolls rate the same except in unlike rolls in the same
maneuver (unsure this is in 2008 rules)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- rotation of the stall turn, 1/2 span is 1 pt down, 1 span is
2 pts, 1-1/2 is 3 points and more than 2 spans is a zero.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- wind correction in maneuvers, are they done in the same
plane?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- centering</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- box violations including top of box violations</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- loops round and rolls started and ended at the proper points
for rolling elements in a loop</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- distance out, 1 pt for further than 175 meters and 3 or more
pts for more than 200 meters (except rolling circles)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- snaps along the geometry of the maneuver and all the other
issues of snaps</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- spin, does not weathervane on entry, does not spiral, entry
not forced, etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- 1 pt per 15 degree rule</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- size of the maneuver relative to the size of other maneuvers
and the position in the box</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- smoothness and gracefulness</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>This is abreviated but this should be the criteria. I
use only the criteria in the rules and apply it in a consistent unbiased manner.
It's simple, read and know the rules and apply them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Don</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jim.woodward@baesystems.com
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward, Jim</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:18
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3
FAI</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In attempting to
understand “how” the FAI scoring is delivered, I have made more
rationalizations, hypothesis, or excuses for judges than anyone can imagine –
which range from:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Maybe I suck </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Wingdings size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Intentional
bias<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Unintentional
bias<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ignorance of
rules<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“Impression”
judging<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT> </LI></OL>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What I am finally
left to guess is that a hybrid method of judging is used by some FAI
judges. Pure speculation (beware): When a pilot begins disrupting
a maneuver by 20 + degrees of error, the judging standards are easily applied
without too much difficulty. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">However – when more
than one “outstanding” flight is being witnessed, some judges may confuse
their roll from “applying-downgrades”, to that of “determining a
winner.” Determining winner is not what judges do. Normalization
does that. In the instance of intensely good flying, the judges may be
saying to themselves, “…. This maneuver is teetering on an 8 or 9, but I
just watched person X fly and I know person X is better than person Y, so I
need to score this an 8.” Of course, this is not accountable to our
judging standards of code of ethics.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Again – this is just
a WAG. I have made more attempts to understand, appreciate, support, and
preserve the integrity of our institution as anyone possible could. At
this point I need the Masters pilots to speak to how they judge FAI. How
do Masters pilots apply the 15 degree rule for instance??? I cannot
really speak to what goes on in the FAI judges mind, but would like to know so
that I can meet their standard as a new FAI
judge.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>schroetere@bellsouth.net<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:59
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] D3 FAI</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sounds
like a good idea, Vince. We have at least a couple of east facing fields that
we have to wait for the sun to vacate the box.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I agree
with <ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">Gary</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>.
Usually I see my scores and I think it's more than I would have given myself.
Judging is, to me, usually a tough thing to do and be correct. Things happen
so quickly.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I
absolutely agree with Jim that we all, as judges, need to be as fair as
possible, regardless of the pilot flying. I'm not sure that I understand what
you are saying with these statements...<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">7.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Normalization does its part to
compare flyers, judges should not use RAW scores as the primary “real-time”
comparative force while in the process of judging. RAW scores should be
independent of anyone entered in the contest or other
factors.</SPAN></FONT><U1:P></U1:P> <O:P></O:P></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">and 1.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is not the responsibility of a
judge to use “real-time” RAW score evaluations from maneuver to maneuver
(against previous or future flights) to ensure an “order” is reached, or room
is left at the top (…. If this is happening….)<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT>
<O:P></O:P></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I too
want to leave a contest with a good feeling. This weekend as an example, I
felt pretty good about finishing third. I flew fairly well, but not near as
good as Joe and John. Anyway, please clarify what you are saying in the above
statements. I'm not trying to be a smart &**, I just want to make sure I
understand what you are saying.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Emory<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I think there is one possible solution: just
more judging clinics and training. In the last contest at central
<ST1:STATE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE
w:st="on">Kansas</ST1:PLACE></ST1:STATE>, one good friend and
experience pilot suggested that we should have judging clinics when we
are waiting for the sun get out of the way. In our area, we usually
wait until 11:00 AM to start the contest. We know that pattern flyers
are usually early birds. We could have judging clinics between 9-10:30
AM both days. This is 3 hours of training in one weekend. I know
that this is not necessarily the case for other districts or fields or
when the contest is very well attended. I will say that this clinics
are very easy to implement when we have less than ~20 pilots
registered. However, if there are more than 20 pilots just loosing a
round to accommodate the judging clinic won't be a big
problem.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Regards,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">--<BR>Vicente "Vince"
Bortone<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<BR>From: "Courtney, Gary Ray" <grcourtney@tva.gov>
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Courtney, Gary Ray <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:07 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'schroetere'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [NSRCA-discussion] D3
FAI</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">yes!
</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">All I can hope
for is to please my hardest critic and judge (myself) because he truly
knows what's being done in the air...That's why I very rarely look at the
score sheets and standings they are always 4 or 5 points higher than
I would give myself. It's like x-mas every
contest. </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The ? mark was
referring to the fact that I don't have a solution, Judging is not ever
100% perfect(human factor) it is what it is accept it or pull your
hair out over it.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Having judged FAI
on rare occasions, I can say it's not very enjoyable because the pressure
I put on myself to try to be fair and consistent is considerable. just to
many elements for my feeble brain to
process...</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><FONT
face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gary</SPAN></FONT></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><O:P></O:P></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
schroetere [mailto:schroetere@bellsouth.net] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:33
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Courtney, Gary
Ray<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] D3 FAI</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I don't know, Jim started it
and I just want to see where it goes. Did you read his email
below?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=grcourtney@tva.gov href="mailto:grcourtney@tva.gov">Courtney, Gary
Ray</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:07 AM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] D3 FAI<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><FONT
face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">gary</SPAN></FONT></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2>
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>schroetere<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, October 16, 2007
5:20 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Jim
Woodward<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
[NSRCA-discussion] D3 FAI</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hey Jim,
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I debated with myself to
respond to you or the list. But, since you brought this up here, I'd
like to hear some more from you and others as
well.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I know that you are not
alone in your frustration. We talked about this mid-season at length.
I'm just not sure what can be done to "fix" judging differences. When it
comes down to it, we are all human. Until we get some sort of camera
hooked up to a computer, we will never have perfect judging. Even then,
I'm sure someone will complain that the software algorithm that
calculates the score isn't correct. All we as judges can do is sit
down in the chair and do our best. Some times we get it right and some
times we don't. It will never be better than that (my
opinion).<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hate to see that you are
feeling so beaten down that you feel a class switch is the only way to
fix it. I have no doubt that you will have great success in Masters if
that is what you choose. To me, all the guys flying FAI in our district
should be there. You are all fantastic
pilots.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So, what needs to be fixed
in your opinion and how should this be done?
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,
Emory<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message
----- <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=jim.woodward@baesystems.com
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward, Jim</A>
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=ryan_mclaughlin@ml.com
href="mailto:ryan_mclaughlin@ml.com">McLaughlin, Ryan (FRS.JAX)</A> ;
<A title=dist3@nsrca.org href="mailto:dist3@nsrca.org">NSRCA District
III</A> ; <A title=JWalker@ponikvar.com
href="mailto:JWalker@ponikvar.com">Joseph Walker</A>
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Monday, October 15, 2007 4:43 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D3
Championship<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is my
opinion that abject failure to score FAI rounds and standings
accurately has been consistently occurring in District 3, punctuated
by the final two contests of 2007 (JAX and D3 Champs).
Recognizing these inequities in FAI, I look forward to joining the
Masters class for the 2008 season beginning with the Tangerine.
<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><U1:P></U1:P>Copied
from <A title=http://www.dictionary.com/
href="http://www.dictionary.com/">www.dictionary.com</A>
Abject: </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P><U1:P></U1:P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN class=pg1><I><FONT
face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#558811 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">–adjective
</SPAN></FONT></I></SPAN><O:P></O:P></P><U1:P></U1:P>
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cellPadding=0 width="100%" bgColor=white border=0>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; WIDTH: 0.25in; PADDING-TOP: 0in"
vAlign=top width=24>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">1.<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></TD>
<TD
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 0in"
vAlign=top>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode"
color=#333333 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">utterly
hopeless, miserable, humiliating, or wretched: <SPAN
class=ital-inline1><I>abject poverty.
</I><U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U1:P></U1:P><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<TABLE class=MsoNormalTable style="BACKGROUND: white; WIDTH: 100%"
cellPadding=0 width="100%" bgColor=white border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; WIDTH: 0.25in; PADDING-TOP: 0in"
vAlign=top width=24>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">2.<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></TD>
<TD
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 0in"
vAlign=top>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode"
color=#333333 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">contemptible;
despicable; base-spirited: <SPAN class=ital-inline1><I>an abject
coward.
</I><U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U1:P></U1:P><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<TABLE class=MsoNormalTable style="BACKGROUND: white; WIDTH: 100%"
cellPadding=0 width="100%" bgColor=white border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; WIDTH: 0.25in; PADDING-TOP: 0in"
vAlign=top width=24>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">3.<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></TD>
<TD
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 0in"
vAlign=top>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode"
color=#333333 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">shamelessly
servile; slavish.
<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U1:P></U1:P><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<TABLE class=MsoNormalTable style="BACKGROUND: white; WIDTH: 100%"
cellPadding=0 width="100%" bgColor=white border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; WIDTH: 0.25in; PADDING-TOP: 0in"
vAlign=top width=24>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">4.<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></TD>
<TD
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 6pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 0in"
vAlign=top>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=ital-inline1><I><FONT
face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#333333 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">Obsolete</SPAN></FONT></I></SPAN><SPAN
class=labset1><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#333333
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">.
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode"
color=#333333 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">cast
aside.
<U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#333333
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">Thank
You,</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P><U1:P></U1:P>
<P class=MsoNormal><U2:PERSONNAME u3:st="on"><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim</U2:PERSONNAME>
W.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><U1:P></U1:P><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"><U1:P></U1:P></SPAN></FONT>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
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