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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Ron...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> I can sure
imagine some of his experiences. While stationed out of Long Beach, CA (USN) I
happened to witness an attempt at obtaining flight certification status of a new
airplane. Two people on board. When I 1st noticed plane it was already in a flat
spin at several thousand feet. I had a stiff neck watching these two attempt to
recover the plane. After many minutes of various control inputs and throttle
changes in thicker air they one bailed out but pulled his rip cord immediately.
He died when plane fell on top of him tangling his chute in the empennage
banging him into the plane knocking him unconscious. The remaining pilot was
able to get the shrouds clear of the plane but still unable to recover plane and
departed plane at around 1400 feet. He choose to delay his chute opening till
just before hitting the water. Was just enough to break the fall and had a
few couple of bones broken from impact. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> While obtaining my
pilots license I always used that as a reminder how nasty airplanes can get if
operated outside of their certification. I always enjoyed exploring the envelope
but staying within its approved limits.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
Del</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ronlock@comcast.net href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">Ron
Lockhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross
Wind Components</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm fine being a test pilot with RC
models.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For full scale, I'm happy with staying inside
known operating limits.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The NASA guy I mentioned doing spin testing had
airplanes modified with a parachute attached to tail,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>quick release pins in pilots door, and wore a
parachute. Says he used the tail parachute to recover</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>from some spins, and thought about pulling the
door pins, but never actually got forced into that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ron Lockhart</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=drykert2@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del K. Rykert</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:36
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross
Wind Components</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>What true pattern pilot isn't
also a test pilot? Our planes certification is a successful maiden
flight. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
Del</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>----- Original Message -----
</FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>From: "Ron Lockhart"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>ronlock@comcast.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007
8:48 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Cross Wind Components</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>>I agree
with John K's comments.<BR>> Years ago received a briefing from a NASA
test pilot that ran a light<BR>> aircraft study<BR>> of spin
capability. He also made the point that when you exceed the
number<BR>> of spin<BR>> turns you have become a test pilot.
Also noted that in his spin testing he<BR>> had found<BR>> a number of
planes that acted no different after exceeding the certified<BR>> number,
and<BR>> also a number that got real nasty. He also noted if CG is
out of limits,<BR>> your a test pilot.<BR>> <BR>> Later Ron
Lockhart<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "John
Konneker" <</FONT><A href="mailto:jlkonn@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jlkonn@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>><BR>> To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>><BR>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:10
AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Crashing on takeoff and
landing<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> Chris Moon may want to correct me if
I'm wrong but...<BR>>> Crosswind components.<BR>>> The term is
"demonstrated crosswind component" and is just that...the<BR>>>
maximum that was demonstrated during certification.<BR>>> Talking full
size here.<BR>>> You may not have the skill to successfully land with
the DCC or you may be<BR>> a<BR>>> good enough pilot to
successfully exceed the DCC.<BR>>> The DCC is not the absolute limit
of the airplane capability.<BR>>> Same with spins.<BR>>>
Something like a C-152 Aerobat is approved for spins.<BR>>> 3 turns
were demonstrated during certification.<BR>>> They too may be
exceeded...<BR>>> The only thing when you do you are entering the
realm of "Test Pilot".<BR>>> :-)<BR>>> There!<BR>>> I'm
going back to bed.<BR>>> My head hurts!<BR>>>
JLK<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> >From: "Del K. Rykert"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>drykert2@rochester.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>><BR>>> >Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>><BR>>> >To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>><BR>>> >Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Crashing on takeoff and landing<BR>>> >Date:
Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:55:43 -0400<BR>>> ><BR>>> >Basically
two big reasons. People sometimes have not mastered the<BR>>>
>transitory part of leaving or arriving in wind and all flying
vehicles<BR>> have<BR>>> >a crosswind limit that they can be
landed and taking off in. If it is<BR>>> >exceeded crashes are
often the result. Even the shuttle does and the<BR>>> >Concorde had
crosswind limits.<BR>>> ><BR>>> >
Del<BR>>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>>>
> From: </FONT><A href="mailto:rjo626@aol.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>rjo626@aol.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>>> > To: </FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>>> > Sent: Friday, October 12,
2007 6:46 PM<BR>>> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
Turbulence<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>>
> Then why do more people seem
to crash on takeoff or landing on<BR>>> >windy days?<BR>>>
>
RJO<BR>>>
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