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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>LOL... and he knows airplanes
flying don't know the wind is blowing is steady breeze -- although they sure do
notice the changes in wind speed and direction they blow from..</FONT></DIV>
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Del</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:15
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rudder</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN contentEditable=false style="DISPLAY: inline-block"></SPAN>I know
that Bill didn't mean what he wrote....he flew full scale and knows what
happens when you run out of airspeed, altitude and ideas all at the same time.
The plane would indeed have a vector in the outlined scenario. It
would generate zero lift and fall from the sky. The vector is down.
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amazing after all these years it is people with full scale experience that
rarely have a problem with the concept Bill just
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Correct. The airplane
does NOT know the wind is blowing. If we were moving in the same
direction/velocity the wind is moving, (thus matching the airplane
direction/velocity), the airplane would have no
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>J & B<BR>Weather vane implies the wind
blowing the tail away from and the nose into the wind which would be
desirable for (self)correcting for crosswind. This would imply that an
airplane on a cross country flight would self correct into a
crosswind, no crab necessary. Or the reverse, pilot would have to hold
rudder for a couple of hours on a cross country flight. Talk about a
way to induce asymmetrical leg muscles...wow!<BR><BR>Rudder is used to
point the noise into the wind i.e. to induce crab. Full scale pilots
make a small coordinated turn into the wind to create crab angle and
the desired ground track. I think I read in some pattern stuff that
pattern pilots can induce crab and it either presents better to a
judge or they can sneak the crab in a way not so easily detected by
the judge. Weathervaning would only happen on the ground with a
taildragger, usually the beginning of a ground loop. Or with the
airplane on a pylon on the vertical axis, just like a
weathervane.<BR><BR>Crab angle and track apply here. Crosswind acts
upon the whole airplane in flight, not just the tail surface. If we
turn this whole situation 90 degrees and fly into a headwind and pull
up, the airplane would flop over on its back because of the greater
exposed surface of the wing area. The wing would have a greater
weathervane effect. But it does not work thataway.<BR><BR>Bob and I
have been having fun with this one for a while.<BR><BR>Terry
Beachler<BR><BR>At 13:01 10/9/2007, you
wrote:<BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">weathervane
by cause of wind. If you straighten the plane out to look vertical,
the track (actual line drawn) will move with the wind and not be
vertical and be cause for a downgrade. Someone has a clip from the
rule book covering all parts of
this.<BR></SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT size=2><SPAN
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Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:53 PM</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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mean crab (induce by rudder) or weathervane as if the wind is applying
a force upon the tail and causing a turn toward the wind about the
vertical axis.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">At 12:10
10/9/2007, you wrote:<BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The airplane
should weathervane into the wind, as long as the track of the plane is
straight (track- actual line/path of the plane). </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Some great
ideas. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm going
to give the 60-70% rudder expo a shot and see how it
works.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'd like
to do the stall turns on low rate, as Jason reccommends, but when
stall turning into the wind my practice airplane will not go vertical
(on the downline) unless I have high rates (it weathervanes slightly
towards the wind). </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I also
liked John Pavlick's recommendation on the two consecutive
rolls. I'm probably being too anal in coordinating rudder,
aileron and elevator because I always seem to run out of
room.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">So much to
learn and the damn winter is coming!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks
guys,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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