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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Stuart..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> As it can be a
very complex and long winded answer I am not going to jump into all the
complexities..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> The quick and
simple issue is you are standing stationary on terra firma. The visual
picture your brain draws as your model climbs vertical maintaining a true
vertical line the model is already corrected for the wind movement at
your given flight load. What you see is your model already crabbed into the
prevailing and if you try to stall opposite of the crabbed direction you have a
much harder workload to perform while airplane is losing all effective
control inputs. In this attitude, rudder is last to go with prop blast moving
over tail. Elevator will have some effect also but we aren't trying to flop. So
to picot the model more than 90º is always harder than pivoting some portion
less than 90º. </FONT></DIV>
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</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Does that help? Glad to
take off list for you if you care to discuss further. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=schale@optonline.net href="mailto:schale@optonline.net">Stuart
Chale</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:49
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rudder</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You guys have me a
bit confused as well. I do not think it is as simple as the plane blows
with the wind. Most pattern designs will “weather-vane” . They
will, on there own, establish a crab angle into the wind. I am sure it
varies by design. The more area behind the CG compared to in front of
the CG would make it weather-vane into the wind more (as I see it). If
the plane did not “feel” the wind then why is it easier to stall turn into the
wind then with it? Stalling with the wind (stalling out with a cross
wind blowing out) is difficult at best. When the plane crabs into the
wind (on its own) the prop direction (thrust) is now counteracting some of the
just getting blown with the wind. In a perfect design the increased side
thrust from the prop would compensate for the opposite movement of being blown
by the wind. I think once you go to knife edge or do rolling maneuvers
the added area of the wing getting blown by the cross wind and the fact that
the plane will not “weather-vane” in its pitch axis when on its side
causes the plane to “just get blown with the wind” and go along for the
ride.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Stuart<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bob Wilson<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:20
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rudder</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Wow, and this was just an innocent question about a
stall turn! <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Now, as I pull vertical for the stall turn maneuver,
in a cross wind, my mind is going to internally hemorrhage trying to sort out
who said what:)<BR><BR> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=gmailquote><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 10/10/07, <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Bob Richards</SPAN></B> <<A
href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">bob@toprudder.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">No, it depends on how fast it is coming down. :-)
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV><SPAN id=q_11589a52ec1e0978_1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><SPAN class=e><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Ken Thompson <<A
href="mailto:mrandmrst@comcast.net"
target=_blank>mrandmrst@comcast.net</A>></SPAN></I> </B>wrote:
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wild guess...there is none
;-)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=kurt@bozarthhomes.com href="mailto:kurt@bozarthhomes.com"
target=_blank>Kurt Bozarth</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>'NSRCA Mailing
List' </A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:49 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rudder<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Guess what the wind
chill factor is when riding in a hot air
balloon?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Kurt</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org </A>] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Del K. Rykert<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:39
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rudder</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I still find it
amazing after all these years it is people with full scale experience that
rarely have a problem with the concept Bill just mentioned.
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Del</st1:place></st1:State>
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=billglaze@bellsouth.net href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net"
target=_blank>billglaze</A> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>NSRCA Mailing
List</A> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:28 PM
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rudder </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Correct. The airplane
does NOT know the wind is blowing. If we were moving in the same
direction/velocity the wind is moving, (thus matching the airplane
direction/velocity), the airplane would have no vector.
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=terryb@beachlers.com href="mailto:terryb@beachlers.com"
target=_blank>Terry Beachler</A>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>NSRCA
Mailing List</A> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:59 PM
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rudder </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>J &
B<BR>Weather vane implies the wind blowing the tail away from and the
nose into the wind which would be desirable for (self)correcting for
crosswind. This would imply that an airplane on a cross country flight
would self correct into a crosswind, no crab necessary. Or the reverse,
pilot would have to hold rudder for a couple of hours on a cross country
flight. Talk about a way to induce asymmetrical leg muscles...wow!
<BR><BR>Rudder is used to point the noise into the wind i.e. to induce
crab. Full scale pilots make a small coordinated turn into the wind to
create crab angle and the desired ground track. I think I read in some
pattern stuff that pattern pilots can induce crab and it either presents
better to a judge or they can sneak the crab in a way not so easily
detected by the judge. Weathervaning would only happen on the
ground with a taildragger, usually the beginning of a ground loop. Or
with the airplane on a pylon on the vertical axis, just like a
weathervane. <BR><BR>Crab angle and track apply here. Crosswind acts
upon the whole airplane in flight, not just the tail surface. If we turn
this whole situation 90 degrees and fly into a headwind and pull up, the
airplane would flop over on its back because of the greater exposed
surface of the wing area. The wing would have a greater weathervane
effect. But it does not work thataway. <BR><BR>Bob and I have been
having fun with this one for a while.<BR><BR>Terry Beachler<BR><BR>At
13:01 10/9/2007, you wrote:<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">weathervane by
cause of wind. If you straighten the plane out to look vertical, the
track (actual line drawn) will move with the wind and not be vertical
and be cause for a downgrade. Someone has a clip from the rule book
covering all parts of this. <BR></SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
href="http://www.jasonshulman.com/" target=_blank>www.jasonshulman.com
</A><BR><A href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com/"
target=_blank>www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.composite-arf.com/"
target=_blank>www.composite-arf.com</A></SPAN></FONT>
<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From: <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org </A>]On Behalf Of Terry
Beachler</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Sent: Tuesday, October 09,
2007 12:53 PM</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Do you mean crab (induce by rudder) or
weathervane as if the wind is applying a force upon the tail and causing
a turn toward the wind about the vertical axis.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The airplane
should weathervane into the wind, as long as the track of the plane is
straight (track- actual line/path of the plane).
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Some great ideas.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm going to give the 60-70% rudder expo a shot
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'd like to do the stall turns on low rate, as
Jason reccommends, but when stall turning into the wind my practice
airplane will not go vertical (on the downline) unless I have high rates
(it weathervanes slightly towards the wind).
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I also liked John Pavlick's recommendation on
the two consecutive rolls. I'm probably being too anal in
coordinating rudder, aileron and elevator because I always seem to run
out of room. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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