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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Bob,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I see the best part of electric for one of
these planes is that you have a pretty high level of confidence the motor is
going to run when you hand launch, then bring it down for you high-alpha or 3D
flying. With a little glow motor, you need to ensure it is broken in
nicely, and is tuned nicely. So, there is a little more of a threat to a
crash using a smaller glow engine – until its broke in and reliable
anyway. That is my only worry. With a decent exhaust deflector,
clean up is limited to he very tail of the plane. I just don’t like
charging flight packs for now. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think I’ll look at this electric
again with the batteries like the A123 cells are weaponized – I mean
hobby-ized </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font
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color:navy'> . There is a good thread on flying giants about these cells
being used for giant scale receiver packs now.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Richards<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 26,
2007 6:30 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
For Sale</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jim</span></font></st1:PersonName>,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>A couple of years ago I would have agreed with you. Glow was a known
for me, electric wasn't. But for the smaller planes I will probably never go
glow again, electric is just too easy. But, yes, there is a learning curve
and up-front expenses going that route. Once you have 2 or 3 planes with
similar setups, the batteries can all be shared (I have a lot of 2100 3S packs
and associated planes). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I have a Vanquish and a 3DHS Aspera which I both love. I think going
glow would not improve the flying any, and the associated cleanup of glow would
take some of the fun away from it, JMHO.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I would love to see the glow setup fly, though.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>"Woodward, <st1:PersonName
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I kind of detest electric stuff - for a
while longer anyway - I'm still in mourning over my 2006 nats e-meltdown :) I'm
one of the few pattern pilots who went electric and said "no-thanks"
after spending their way through it. I really do not want to buy
$50-$80 battery packs, when I'm carrying 30% heli fuel everywhere I go. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I have a little bit of experience in this. I have an
Extreme Flight Mini 3-D with a GMS .32 that absolutely screems and has
great throttle response. The GMS .32 swings APC 11x3 at 13,100 rpms as measured
this weekend. The vertical speed on this plane is incredible, yet with
about 15 degrees of flaps it will almost hang in ground effect and lower
vertically for landing. This little plane garners a lot more
excitement at the local club than my 2M planes. Maximum fun, minimum
investment :) </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Is this experience a fluke? Is the cheapest motor you can
buy ever going to be good enough???? Would I ever buy another one that
ran as good as the first????</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I took the Extreme Flight E-Extra 300 and converted it to a
GMS .32, this time buying the luxious 'remote' needle valve version.
After lining everything up, I also used an OS muffler extension to get the
muffler futher away from the plane. This plane came out just about
exactly weight wise to the electric versions which fly on 3S packs - worse-case
1.5 oz heavier. I installed the rudder servo in the tail. I also
used Futaba 3101 and 3102 servos, which are larger that whats called for.
The result? This plane flys amazingly well! Vertical speed is so fast
that it will just make you belly laugh! It is fun as heck, and like all
the EF planes, flies much "bigger" than it is - cool success so
far. It is a shock to see landings for a plane this size, slow, float,
and land, where as even many other electric small planes get to a point where
they just "drop" out of the air. This one is way-cool.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thinking about the Vanquish, and the way-overpowered flight
characteristics of the Mini 3D and the E - I mean G-Extra 300, I figure the
same motor package on this slightly bigger airplane will do just fine.
Also, the Vanquish flies on a 4 S pack which weighs about the same as the GMS
.32 in itself. Actually, I'm figuring that a G-conversion would come out
lighter than the E-versions. In all actuality, the fuel proofing has been
minimal. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Here is an agregious non-sponsored plug! BUY EXTREME
FLIGHT R/C STUFF!!!!!!!!!! Any plane, any thread you'll read, exemplifies
the product, service, and flying qualities. These little planes fly very
very well and I'm much happier with them than a foamie type plane. Plus,
you can fly the Mini-3D and G-Extra 300 in a park.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I do see the benefits of leaving it electric though, and
Cameron sent me an email saying I could fly his at this contest.
I'll go for a flight and see. I'm still leaning towards another GMS
.32 or possible a Webra .32 though :) If you do a weight veruss HP study
on all the .25- .30 class motors, the GMS and Webra stand out as the biggest
bang for the weight. Hey - this stuff is about modeling and having
fun right?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
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Bob Richards<br>
bob@toprudder.com<br>
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