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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I recently bought a heli with 2100-3s packs and I
have been slowly working my way towards an airplane that uses these
packs.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What airplanes-size-weight are you using with these
packs?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Vanquish and Brio 10 need more than
that..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you learn to
plow <BR> around the stumps"<BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV>
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<A title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For
Sale</DIV>
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<DIV>Jim,</DIV>
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<DIV>A couple of years ago I would have agreed with you. Glow was a known for
me, electric wasn't. But for the smaller planes I will probably never go glow
again, electric is just too easy. But, yes, there is a learning curve and
up-front expenses going that route. Once you have 2 or 3 planes with similar
setups, the batteries can all be shared (I have a lot of 2100 3S packs and
associated planes). </DIV>
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<DIV>I have a Vanquish and a 3DHS Aspera which I both love. I think going glow
would not improve the flying any, and the associated cleanup of glow would
take some of the fun away from it, JMHO.</DIV>
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<DIV>I would love to see the glow setup fly, though.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob R.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>"Woodward, Jim" <jim.woodward@baesystems.com></I></B>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Yes, I knew it would draw
some ire..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I kind of detest electric
stuff - for a while longer anyway - I'm still in mourning over my 2006 nats
e-meltdown :) I'm one of the few pattern pilots who went electric and said
"no-thanks" after spending their way through it. I really do not
want to buy $50-$80 battery packs, when I'm carrying 30% heli fuel
everywhere I go. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have a little bit of experience in
this. I have an Extreme Flight Mini 3-D with a GMS .32 that
absolutely screems and has great throttle response. The GMS .32 swings
APC 11x3 at 13,100 rpms as measured this weekend. The vertical speed
on this plane is incredible, yet with about 15 degrees of flaps it will
almost hang in ground effect and lower vertically for
landing. This little plane garners a lot more excitement at the
local club than my 2M planes. Maximum fun, minimum investment :)
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is this experience a fluke? Is the
cheapest motor you can buy ever going to be good enough???? Would I
ever buy another one that ran as good as the first????</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>I took the Extreme Flight E-Extra 300
and converted it to a GMS .32, this time buying the luxious 'remote' needle
valve version. After lining everything up, I also used an OS muffler
extension to get the muffler futher away from the plane. This plane
came out just about exactly weight wise to the electric versions which fly
on 3S packs - worse-case 1.5 oz heavier. I installed the rudder servo
in the tail. I also used Futaba 3101 and 3102 servos, which are larger
that whats called for. The result? This plane flys amazingly
well! Vertical speed is so fast that it will just make you belly
laugh! It is fun as heck, and like all the EF planes, flies much
"bigger" than it is - cool success so far. It is a shock to see
landings for a plane this size, slow, float, and land, where as even many
other electric small planes get to a point where they just "drop" out of the
air. This one is way-cool.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thinking about the Vanquish, and the
way-overpowered flight characteristics of the Mini 3D and the E - I mean
G-Extra 300, I figure the same motor package on this slightly bigger
airplane will do just fine. Also, the Vanquish flies on a 4 S pack
which weighs about the same as the GMS .32 in itself. Actually, I'm
figuring that a G-conversion would come out lighter than the E-versions. In
all actuality, the fuel proofing has been minimal. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here is an agregious non-sponsored
plug! BUY EXTREME FLIGHT R/C STUFF!!!!!!!!!! Any plane, any
thread you'll read, exemplifies the product, service, and flying
qualities. These little planes fly very very well and I'm much happier
with them than a foamie type plane. Plus, you can fly the Mini-3D and
G-Extra 300 in a park.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do see the benefits of leaving it
electric though, and Cameron sent me an email saying I could fly his at
this contest. I'll go for a flight and see. I'm
still leaning towards another GMS .32 or possible a Webra .32 though :)
If you do a weight veruss HP study on all the .25- .30 class motors,
the GMS and Webra stand out as the biggest bang for the weight. Hey -
this stuff is about modeling and having fun right?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim W.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><BR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Bob
Richards<BR>bob@toprudder.com<BR>http://www.toprudder.com
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