<div>The Vanquish will fly well with a 3S pack, but it needs to be something larger than 2100 packs, something like 3300, and at least 45 amps WOT. 4S is just easier, less current to get the same power. I have flown the Vanquish with 3S 2100, but the vertical really suffers.</div> <div> </div> <div>Bob R.</div> <div><BR><BR><B><I>Jay Marshall <lightfoot@sc.rr.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)" name=Generator> <STYLE> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:"Brush Script MT"; panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} p {margin-right:0in; margin-left:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle18 {font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:.2in .25in 33.1pt .25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I believe that the Vanquish uses a 4S pack. The 2100-3S was fine for my Brio 10. I could get two flights/charge.</SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </div> <DIV> <div><B><I><FONT face="Brush Script MT" color=navy size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: 'Brush Script
MT'">Jay </SPAN></FONT></I></B><B><I><FONT face="Brush Script MT" color=navy size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: 'Brush Script MT'">Marshall</SPAN></FONT></I></B><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"> </SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> [mailto:</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">John Ferrell</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:28 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">NSRCA Mailing List</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale</SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I recently bought a heli with 2100-3s
packs and I have been slowly working my way towards an airplane that uses these packs.</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What airplanes-size-weight are you using with these packs?</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The Vanquish and Brio 10 need more than that..</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John
Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"Life is easier if you learn to plow <BR> around the stumps"<BR><A href="http://dixienc.us/">http://DixieNC.US</A></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message ----- </SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> <div class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=bob@toprudder.com
href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</A> </SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:30 AM</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Jim,</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">A couple of years ago I would have agreed with you. Glow was a known for me, electric wasn't. But for the smaller planes I will probably never go glow again, electric is just too easy. But, yes, there is a learning curve and up-front expenses going that route. Once you have 2 or 3 planes with
similar setups, the batteries can all be shared (I have a lot of 2100 3S packs and associated planes). </SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have a Vanquish and a 3DHS Aspera which I both love. I think going glow would not improve the flying any, and the associated cleanup of glow would take some of the fun away from it, JMHO.</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I would love to see the glow setup fly, though.</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bob R.</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><B><I><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">"Woodward, Jim" <jim.woodward@baesystems.com></SPAN></I></B> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV id=idOWAReplyText14185> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes, I knew it would draw some ire..</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I kind of detest electric stuff - for a while longer anyway - I'm still in mourning over my 2006 nats e-meltdown :) I'm one of the few pattern pilots who went electric and said "no-thanks" after spending their way through it. I really do not want to buy $50-$80 battery packs, when I'm carrying 30% heli fuel everywhere I go. </SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have a little bit of experience in this. I have an Extreme Flight Mini 3-D with a GMS .32 that absolutely screems and has great throttle response. The GMS .32 swings APC 11x3 at 13,100 rpms as measured this weekend. The vertical speed on this plane is incredible, yet with about 15 degrees of flaps it will almost hang in ground effect and lower vertically for landing. This little plane garners a lot more excitement at the local club than my 2M planes. Maximum fun, minimum investment :) </SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is this experience a fluke? Is the
cheapest motor you can buy ever going to be good enough???? Would I ever buy another one that ran as good as the first????</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I took the Extreme Flight E-Extra 300 and converted it to a GMS .32, this time buying the luxious 'remote' needle valve version. After lining everything up, I also used an OS muffler extension to get the muffler futher away from the plane. This plane came out just about exactly weight wise to the electric versions which fly on 3S packs - worse-case 1.5 oz heavier. I installed the rudder servo in the tail. I also used Futaba 3101 and 3102 servos, which are larger that whats called for. The result? This
plane flys amazingly well! Vertical speed is so fast that it will just make you belly laugh! It is fun as heck, and like all the EF planes, flies much "bigger" than it is - cool success so far. It is a shock to see landings for a plane this size, slow, float, and land, where as even many other electric small planes get to a point where they just "drop" out of the air. This one is way-cool.</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thinking about the Vanquish, and the way-overpowered flight characteristics of the Mini 3D and the E - I mean G-Extra 300, I figure the same motor package on this slightly bigger airplane will do just fine. Also, the Vanquish flies on a 4 S pack which
weighs about the same as the GMS .32 in itself. Actually, I'm figuring that a G-conversion would come out lighter than the E-versions. In all actuality, the fuel proofing has been minimal. </SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here is an agregious non-sponsored plug! BUY EXTREME FLIGHT R/C STUFF!!!!!!!!!! Any plane, any thread you'll read, exemplifies the product, service, and flying qualities. These little planes fly very very well and I'm much happier with them than a foamie type plane. Plus, you can fly the Mini-3D and G-Extra 300 in a park.</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I do see the benefits of leaving it electric though, and Cameron sent me an email saying I could fly his at this contest. I'll go for a flight and see. I'm still leaning towards another GMS .32 or possible a Webra .32 though :) If you do a weight veruss HP study on all the .25- .30 class motors, the GMS and Webra stand out as the biggest bang for the weight. Hey - this stuff is about modeling and having fun right?</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim
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