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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I believe that the Vanquish uses a 4S
pack. The 2100-3S was fine for my Brio 10. I could get two flights/charge.</span></font></p>
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<p><b><i><font size=4 color=navy face="Brush Script MT"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> [mailto:</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b></span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>John Ferrell</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 26,
2007 9:28 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>NSRCA Mailing
List</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
For Sale</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I recently bought a heli with
2100-3s packs and I have been slowly working my way towards an airplane that
uses these packs.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>What airplanes-size-weight are you
using with these packs?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The Vanquish and Brio 10 need more
than that..</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>John Ferrell W8CCW<br>
"Life is easier if you learn to plow <br>
around the stumps"<br>
<a href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</a></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com" title="bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</a> </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday,
September 26, 2007 6:30 AM</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
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[NSRCA-discussion] For Sale</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jim,</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>A couple of years ago I would have agreed with you.
Glow was a known for me, electric wasn't. But for the smaller planes I will
probably never go glow again, electric is just too easy. But, yes, there
is a learning curve and up-front expenses going that route. Once you have 2 or
3 planes with similar setups, the batteries can all be shared (I have a lot of
2100 3S packs and associated planes). </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I have a Vanquish and a 3DHS Aspera which I both love.
I think going glow would not improve the flying any, and the associated cleanup
of glow would take some of the fun away from it, JMHO.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I would love to see the glow setup fly, though.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bob R.</span></font></p>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>"Woodward,
Jim" <jim.woodward@baesystems.com></span></i></b> wrote:</span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Yes, I
knew it would draw some ire..</span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I kind
of detest electric stuff - for a while longer anyway - I'm still in mourning
over my 2006 nats e-meltdown :) I'm one of the few pattern pilots who went
electric and said "no-thanks" after spending their way through
it. I really do not want to buy $50-$80 battery packs, when I'm
carrying 30% heli fuel everywhere I go. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have a little bit of experience in
this. I have an Extreme Flight Mini 3-D with a GMS .32 that
absolutely screems and has great throttle response. The GMS .32 swings APC
11x3 at 13,100 rpms as measured this weekend. The vertical speed on this
plane is incredible, yet with about 15 degrees of flaps it will almost hang in
ground effect and lower vertically for landing. This little plane
garners a lot more excitement at the local club than my 2M planes.
Maximum fun, minimum investment :) </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Is this experience a fluke? Is the
cheapest motor you can buy ever going to be good enough???? Would I ever
buy another one that ran as good as the first????</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I took the Extreme Flight E-Extra
300 and converted it to a GMS .32, this time buying the luxious 'remote' needle
valve version. After lining everything up, I also used an OS muffler
extension to get the muffler futher away from the plane. This plane came
out just about exactly weight wise to the electric versions which fly on 3S
packs - worse-case 1.5 oz heavier. I installed the rudder servo in the
tail. I also used Futaba 3101 and 3102 servos, which are larger that
whats called for. The result? This plane flys amazingly well!
Vertical speed is so fast that it will just make you belly laugh! It is
fun as heck, and like all the EF planes, flies much "bigger" than it
is - cool success so far. It is a shock to see landings for a plane this
size, slow, float, and land, where as even many other electric small planes get
to a point where they just "drop" out of the air. This one is
way-cool.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thinking about the Vanquish, and the
way-overpowered flight characteristics of the Mini 3D and the E - I mean
G-Extra 300, I figure the same motor package on this slightly bigger airplane
will do just fine. Also, the Vanquish flies on a 4 S pack which weighs
about the same as the GMS .32 in itself. Actually, I'm figuring that a
G-conversion would come out lighter than the E-versions. In all actuality, the
fuel proofing has been minimal. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Here is an agregious non-sponsored
plug! BUY EXTREME FLIGHT R/C STUFF!!!!!!!!!! Any plane, any thread
you'll read, exemplifies the product, service, and flying qualities. These
little planes fly very very well and I'm much happier with them than a foamie
type plane. Plus, you can fly the Mini-3D and G-Extra 300 in a park.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I do see the benefits of leaving it
electric though, and Cameron sent me an email saying I could fly his at
this contest. I'll go for a flight and see. I'm still leaning
towards another GMS .32 or possible a Webra .32 though :) If you do a
weight veruss HP study on all the .25- .30 class motors, the GMS and Webra
stand out as the biggest bang for the weight. Hey - this stuff is about
modeling and having fun right?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks,</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim W.</span></font></p>
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Bob Richards<br>
bob@toprudder.com<br>
http://www.toprudder.com </span></font></p>
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