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<DIV><FONT size=2>Morten,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Here is the response from Bob Skinner.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Don</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Dear Don<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">The Sporting Code does not define upper,
mid, or lower levels, and I guess a good compromise would be to make a generous,
but not full outside loop, to leave enough room for the triangle and its
components. The radius of the following Figure 9 could then be smaller, provided
the exit part-loop matches.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">The new schedules do not include scored
take-off or landings and if a competitor should run out of time between the last
manoeuvre and the landing, there is no penalty.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Morten is absolutely right: the manoeuvre
name is unclear and the description will rectify this. Between
</SPAN></FONT><st1:PersonName><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Henny
van Loon</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">, <SPAN class=SpellE>Jiri</SPAN> Havel, and Peter Uhlig,
they have provided great help in writing these up. It will shortly be available
on the FAI website.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">My best
regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Bob<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<A title=morten@laugesen.nu href="mailto:morten@laugesen.nu">Morten
Laugesen</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 07, 2007 4:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 FAI
F3A Maneuvers</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Don,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for the feed back, and I guess that is how
it will be flown anyway. It's just unusual to go higher than the
normal top-line, I'm not aware that this has been done before in the FAI
schedules. Anyway it would be nice with a more comprehensive manoeuvre
description to clear things up a bit. As has also been mentioned before the
text description of manoeuvre #13 is simply wrong. In my opinion it should say
"full integrated roll in the transition between loop no. 1 and no. 2"
instead.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also another question. Say you run out of time (8
minutes) before touching down, will they then give you a zero for
manoeuvre #17 since the landing is not scored anymore? Usually the judge will
have given his score for the final manoeuvre before the
landing...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kind regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Morten Laugesen</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>e-mail: </FONT><A
href="mailto:morten@laugesen.nu"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>morten@laugesen.nu</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>URL: </FONT><A href="http://morten.laugesen.nu"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>http://morten.laugesen.nu</FONT></A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 07, 2007 8:08
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008
FAI F3A Maneuvers</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Morten,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I don't think there is a higher line on maneuver
8. The figure 9 (maneuver 8) does start on a high line and
does go higher but that higher point is never flown, it is only
touched. Since it is a turn around maneuver the high box is not going
to be a factor. The maneuver will get very high but should not affect
the judging (I think).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Don</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=morten@laugesen.nu href="mailto:morten@laugesen.nu">Morten
Laugesen</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 07, 2007
12:37 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008
FAI F3A Maneuvers</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2>Hi,</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Now that the
discussion about the new schedules has come up I thought that I would ask
about your opinion regarding a sequence of manoeuvres in P-09. In
</SPAN><st1:country-region><st1:place><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Denmark</SPAN></st1:place></st1:country-region><SPAN
lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> we have been discussing how
to interpret manoeuvres 6, 7 and 8.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"></SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>They
are:<BR><BR>6: Half outside loop, inverted
entry<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>7: Triangle
loop, with ˝ rolls in each leg, inverted
exit<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>8: Figure
9, two ˝ rolls in opposite direction on downline, inverted
entry<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>What we are
thinking is that if done this way, and if the exit of the half outside
loop and the entry to the triangle loop are done at the normal upper
flight line (top-line) a second even higher top-line will be introduced
when performing the Figure 9? My understanding of the rules is that you
have a bottom-, a middle- and a top-line in the box, but now it seems we
have introduced a second top-line?<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p><FONT face=Arial
size=2> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>If the
triangle loop is actually the bottom half of an hour-glass, and hence
entered at half height things make better sense, however then it could
possibly be difficult to get time to perform the half rolls on each leg of
the triangle loop…? It can be done, but it wouldn’t look very
graceful?<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p><FONT face=Arial
size=2> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>Any ideas
or opinions on this matter?<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kind regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Morten Laugesen</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>e-mail: </FONT><A
href="mailto:morten@laugesen.nu"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>morten@laugesen.nu</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>URL: </FONT><A href="http://morten.laugesen.nu"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>http://morten.laugesen.nu</FONT></A></DIV>
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<A title=geobet@gis.net href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">george w.
kennie</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 07, 2007
7:22 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
2008 FAI F3A Maneuvers</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yeah John,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I got thinking about this yesterday after I
mailed the question and came up with the only way it would make sense
and yes you're right, the Aresti shows it as you state.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for enlightening me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=jgghome@comcast.net href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">John
Gayer</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 07, 2007
12:03 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
2008 FAI F3A Maneuvers</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>The only way the maneuver makes sense is if the
roll is the last 45 degrees of the first loop and the first 45 degrees
of the second loop. It is clearer in the Arresti
diagram.<BR>John<BR><BR>Steven Maxwell wrote:
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type="cite">
<DIV>Ok what am I missing #13 P-09 "2 outside loops from the top
<FONT face=Arial size=2>full integrated roll over top 90 degrees of
second loop" wouldn't the second loop be completed before the 90
degrees of the roll?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Steve
Maxwell</FONT><BR><BR><B><I>Earl Haury <A
class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:ejhaury@comcast.net"><ejhaury@comcast.net></A></I></B>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Karl</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>My fault - not Don's, the magic of PC
copying.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 FAI F3A Maneuvers</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Don,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The scoresheet for the finals schedule 09
reads P0-9</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>instead of F-09.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Karl G. Mueller<BR><A
href="mailto:kgamueller@rogers.com">kgamueller@rogers.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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[NSRCA-discussion] 2008 FAI F3A Maneuvers</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The 2008-2009 F3A maneuvers are posted on
the judging section of the NSRCA site. Score sheets are
also there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><A
href="http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/judging.htm">http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/judging.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Don</FONT></DIV>
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