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<DIV><FONT size=2>Morten,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I don't think there is a higher line on maneuver
8. The figure 9 (maneuver 8) does start on a high line and does
go higher but that higher point is never flown, it is only touched. Since
it is a turn around maneuver the high box is not going to be a factor. The
maneuver will get very high but should not affect the judging (I
think).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Don</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=morten@laugesen.nu href="mailto:morten@laugesen.nu">Morten
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 07, 2007 12:37
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 FAI
F3A Maneuvers</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2>Hi,</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Now that the
discussion about the new schedules has come up I thought that I would ask
about your opinion regarding a sequence of manoeuvres in P-09. In
</SPAN><st1:country-region><st1:place><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Denmark</SPAN></st1:place></st1:country-region><SPAN
lang=EN-GB style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"> we have been discussing how to
interpret manoeuvres 6, 7 and 8.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"></SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>They
are:<BR><BR>6: Half outside loop, inverted
entry<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>7: Triangle
loop, with ˝ rolls in each leg, inverted
exit<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>8: Figure 9,
two ˝ rolls in opposite direction on downline, inverted
entry<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>What we are
thinking is that if done this way, and if the exit of the half outside loop
and the entry to the triangle loop are done at the normal upper flight line
(top-line) a second even higher top-line will be introduced when performing
the Figure 9? My understanding of the rules is that you have a bottom-, a
middle- and a top-line in the box, but now it seems we have introduced a
second top-line?<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p><FONT face=Arial
size=2> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>If the triangle
loop is actually the bottom half of an hour-glass, and hence entered at half
height things make better sense, however then it could possibly be difficult
to get time to perform the half rolls on each leg of the triangle loop…? It
can be done, but it wouldn’t look very
graceful?<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p><FONT face=Arial
size=2> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>Any ideas or
opinions on this matter?<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kind regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Morten Laugesen</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>e-mail: </FONT><A
href="mailto:morten@laugesen.nu"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>morten@laugesen.nu</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>URL: </FONT><A href="http://morten.laugesen.nu"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>http://morten.laugesen.nu</FONT></A></DIV>
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<A title=geobet@gis.net href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">george w. kennie</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 07, 2007 7:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008
FAI F3A Maneuvers</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yeah John,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I got thinking about this yesterday after I
mailed the question and came up with the only way it would make sense and
yes you're right, the Aresti shows it as you state.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for enlightening me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jgghome@comcast.net href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">John
Gayer</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 07, 2007
12:03 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008
FAI F3A Maneuvers</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>The only way the maneuver makes sense is if the roll
is the last 45 degrees of the first loop and the first 45 degrees of the
second loop. It is clearer in the Arresti diagram.<BR>John<BR><BR>Steven
Maxwell wrote:
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<DIV>Ok what am I missing #13 P-09 "2 outside loops from the top <FONT
face=Arial size=2>full integrated roll over top 90 degrees of second
loop" wouldn't the second loop be completed before the 90 degrees of the
roll?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Steve
Maxwell</FONT><BR><BR><B><I>Earl Haury <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:ejhaury@comcast.net"><ejhaury@comcast.net></A></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Karl</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>My fault - not Don's, the magic of PC
copying.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Don,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The scoresheet for the finals schedule 09 reads
P0-9</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>instead of F-09.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Karl G. Mueller<BR><A
href="mailto:kgamueller@rogers.com">kgamueller@rogers.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The 2008-2009 F3A maneuvers are posted on the
judging section of the NSRCA site. Score sheets are also
there.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><A
href="http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/judging.htm">http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/judging.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Don</FONT></DIV>
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