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The only way the&nbsp; maneuver makes sense is if the roll is the last 45
degrees of the first loop and the first 45 degrees of the second loop.
It is clearer in the Arresti diagram.<br>
John<br>
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Steven Maxwell wrote:
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  <div>Ok what am I missing #13 P-09 "2 outside loops from the top <font
 face="Arial" size="2">full integrated roll over top 90 degrees of
second loop" wouldn't the second loop be completed before the 90
degrees of the roll?</font></div>
  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">&nbsp;Steve Maxwell</font><br>
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  <b><i>Earl Haury <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ejhaury@comcast.net">&lt;ejhaury@comcast.net&gt;</a></i></b> wrote:</div>
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    <div><font face="Arial">Karl</font></div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <div><font face="Arial">My fault - not Don's, the magic of PC
copying.</font></div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <div><font face="Arial">Earl</font></div>
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      <a title="kgamueller@rogers.com"
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      <a title="donramsey@gmail.com" href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com">Don
Ramsey</a> ; <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:47 PM</div>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 FAI F3A Maneuvers</div>
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      <div><font size="2">Don,</font></div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div><font size="2">The scoresheet for the finals schedule 09
reads P0-9</font></div>
      <div><font size="2">instead of F-09.</font></div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div><font size="2">Karl G. Mueller<br>
      <a href="mailto:kgamueller@rogers.com">kgamueller@rogers.com</a><br>
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        <a title="don.ramsey@suddenlink.net"
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        <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
 href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> </div>
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Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:46 PM</div>
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[NSRCA-discussion] 2008 FAI F3A Maneuvers</div>
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        <div><font size="2">The 2008-2009 F3A maneuvers are posted on
the judging section of the NSRCA site.&nbsp; Score sheets are also there.</font></div>
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        <div><font size="2"><a
 href="http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/judging.htm">http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/judging.htm</a></font></div>
        <div>&nbsp;</div>
        <div><font size="2">Don</font></div>
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