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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>did you know that the fai draft for next year
REQUIRES that FAI raw scores be posted where the public can view
them?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=patterndude@tx.rr.com href="mailto:patterndude@tx.rr.com">Lance Van
Nostrand</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 27, 2007 10:17
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Are we
behind the times?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm willing to try things that would make pattern
more spectator friendly. I think the reason the lone spectator talking
during a flight has such an effect is because its a lone person and
talking loud enough that judges can hear is rare. If it became common
place we would soon tune it out and spectators would be better able to follow
the contest.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Your points are excellent. In my area we
don't require judges to initial their scoresheets. I don'tunderstand
this and I always initial mine, but I also sometimes put downgrade shorthand
next to my scores for pilots that enjoy knowing why they got a certain
score. The occasions that pilots have approached me afterwards were
supportive and spiritbuilding.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jim.woodward@baesystems.com
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward, Jim</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 27, 2007 1:08
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Are we
behind the times?</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I heard a story
from this years nats where one of the Advanced competitors that was in
contention flew a less-than-perfect maneuver, and another pilot who was also
in contention (and watching) yelled out an inappropriate remark. I
think that audience input or influence is something we should steer away
from for precision aerobatics. We certainly do not need it to be quiet
like for golf, but direct statements meant to be heard by the judges are not
good.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Although slightly
off topic – what I do think we should do is post all raw scores every flight
for every pilot (I think this is done for the WC). I think this would
provide the following opportunities:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The availability of the raw
scores would in itself represent and INCREDIBLE judges training
tool. Seasoned and new competitor alike could watch flights
together, make comments and discuss, then go back later and see if what
they thought they saw was in line with the scores for that flight.
There is all kinds of opportunity here to facilitate judging training (..
ideas welcome).<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Posting of raw scores would
allow “judges” to after-the-fact see how they performed compared to their
judging partners. There is all kinds of good value that could come
from this. Whether noted privately or discussed between each other,
it is good from time to time to check yourself.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Posting of raw scores would
help keep the honest man honest. By posting raw scores, I think
there would be a reduction of bias any way you cut it:
Santa-Clausing, Low-balling, “teams”, regionality, or other bias’ would be
removed/reduced if the person knew ahead of time that the judges scores
would be posted.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And most importantly,
increased “transparency” in the system helps the seasoned and new comer
alike understand the process of the contest, scoring, and “how” the 1000,
900, or 800’s came to be. I believe that no matter whom you are, you
want to leave a contest and feel like you (& everyone) was dealt a
fair hand. Transparency is the key to this.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OK – last one – it takes
“scoring” which is a topic of much discussion during and after a pattern
contest in case you haven’t heard, away from a shadowy discussion, and
brings to the open this topic which everyone is already discussing.
This would do a lot to remove ammunition from the conspiracy theorist and
such whom all of our districts have. Transparency is good
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I write none of
this from the sour-grapes perspective. I love this stuff. I
think the potential benefits from posting the raws would out weight the
potential bad, provide more transparency for the competitor and also provide
judges training.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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W.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>JShulman<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 27, 2007 1:49
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <ST1:PERSONNAME
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Are we
behind the times?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Probably the best
reason not to have it...lol. It's bad enough when we screw-up... I mean when
a pilot screws-up and you hear all the OOOooooohhhhhhhhhhhh's from the
crowd. Now just imagine the uproar when someone gets judged for a maneuver
that they are doing all wrong! Total
Chaos!</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com</SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">can you just imagine all the "oohhhss and aahhhs"
from the spectators.
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