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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle21><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Great,
professional callers too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle21><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jerry Stebbins<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 28, 2007
6:00 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] We
aren't behind the times.</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Seems like we are
flogging the dead horse for some other reason than the "Spectators".
TOC comparisons are a reach. Most "spectators" are other
contestants/helpers. Few wannabes come out unless they are working, and if they
have the pattern itch they would be there anyway. Those are they ones we can
talk to/explain/cultivate/ let fly after the contest!. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Maybe the old days
of short shorts callers could be brought back by developing and forming a
set of touring callers--how about calling the Dallas Cheerleaders and see
if they would be interested. THAT would probably increase our
"Spectator" base. :) :) </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Wonder what the
underlying reason is for this thread-anyone willing to fess-up?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jerry</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>
<div style='font-color:black'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com"
title="jpavlick@idseng.com">John Pavlick</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday,
August 28, 2007 1:00 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the times.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Uh, what are you
guys talking about? Spectators at a Pattern contest? Where are they?
Do wives and girlfriends count?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>John Pavlick<br>
<a href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>
<div style='font-color:black'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"
title="jgghome@comcast.net">John Gayer</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday,
August 28, 2007 12:12 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the times.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:44.4pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Having a large scoreboard
with names(maybe pictures of pilots with airplanes) and raw scores would help.
So would providing handouts on the patterns and pattern in general.<br>
<br>
Not having been to an IMAC contest in years, are they doing better in providing
information to spectators? Are they getting large crowds for the unknowns
and freestyles?<br>
The TOC had a large scoreboard that was kept uptodate, as I recall, with raw
scores and handed out the patterns being flown.<br>
Must be why they had such large crowds <span class=moz-smiley-s1>:-) </span><br>
John<br>
<br>
Mark Atwood wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:80.4pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>To take that a
step further...when was the last time you saw them televise the Figure Skating
compulsory rounds...which is basically what we fly...the EXACT same routine.
They’ve dropped the “figures” portion of the competition completely.
<br>
<br>
But I still think it would be entertaining to see scores...though I agree it is
likely to create problems.<br>
<br>
-M<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/27/07 11:30 PM, "JShulman" <a href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com"><jshulman@cfl.rr.com></a>
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Has anyone else thought that pattern is just really boring? Lets
face it, if you don't enjoy precision flying, there isn't much that can be done
to spice it up. It's still the same sequences being flown flight after flight. <br>
<br>
As for the scoring real-time... the only one's that it would matter to would be
the one's participating in the contest. Not necessarily just the one's in the
class, but the one's that stay the extra day to watch. Until we throw in some
sort of freestyle or combat, it's just pattern. Who would watch figure skating
without music? <br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Regards,<br>
Jason<br>
<a href="http://www.jasonshulman.com">www.jasonshulman.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%5D">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</a><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lance Van Nostrand<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 27, 2007
10:17 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I'm willing to try things that would make pattern more spectator
friendly. I think the reason the lone spectator talking during a
flight has such an effect is because its a lone person and talking loud
enough that judges can hear is rare. If it became common place we
would soon tune it out and spectators would be better able to follow the
contest.<br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Your points are excellent. In my area we don't require
judges to initial their scoresheets. I don'tunderstand this and I
always initial mine, but I also sometimes put downgrade shorthand next to
my scores for pilots that enjoy knowing why they got a certain score.
The occasions that pilots have approached me afterwards were
supportive and spiritbuilding.<br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>--Lance<br>
</span></font><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><br>
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----- Original Message ----- <br>
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Woodward, Jim <a
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com"><mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com></a>
<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?<br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Verdana><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>I heard a story from this years nats
where one of the Advanced competitors that was in contention flew a
less-than-perfect maneuver, and another pilot who was also in contention
(and watching) yelled out an inappropriate remark. I think that
audience input or influence is something we should steer away from for
precision aerobatics. We certainly do not need it to be quiet like
for golf, but direct statements meant to be heard by the judges are not
good.<br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Verdana><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>Although slightly off topic – what I do
think we should do is post all raw scores every flight for every pilot (I
think this is done for the WC). I think this would provide the
following opportunities:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:navy'>The availability of the raw scores would in itself represent
and INCREDIBLE judges training tool. Seasoned and new competitor
alike could watch flights together, make comments and discuss, then go
back later and see if what they thought they saw was in line with the scores
for that flight. There is all kinds of opportunity here to
facilitate judging training (.. ideas welcome).</span></font><font
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color:navy'>Posting of raw scores would allow “judges” to after-the-fact
see how they performed compared to their judging partners. There is
all kinds of good value that could come from this. Whether noted
privately or discussed between each other, it is good from time to time
to check yourself.</span></font><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:navy'>Posting of raw scores would help keep the honest man honest.
By posting raw scores, I think there would be a reduction of bias
any way you cut it: Santa-Clausing, Low-balling, “teams”,
regionality, or other bias’ would be removed/reduced if the person knew
ahead of time that the judges scores would be posted.</span></font><font
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color:navy'>And most importantly, increased “transparency” in the system
helps the seasoned and new comer alike understand the process of the
contest, scoring, and “how” the 1000, 900, or 800’s came to be. I
believe that no matter whom you are, you want to leave a contest and feel
like you (& everyone) was dealt a fair hand. Transparency is
the key to this. </span></font><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Verdana><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:navy'>OK – last one – it takes “scoring” which is a topic of much
discussion during and after a pattern contest in case you haven’t heard,
away from a shadowy discussion, and brings to the open this topic which
everyone is already discussing. This would do a lot to remove
ammunition from the conspiracy theorist and such whom all of our
districts have. Transparency is good </span></font><font size=2
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>J </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Verdana><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>I write none of this from the sour-grapes
perspective. I love this stuff. I think the potential
benefits from posting the raws would out weight the potential bad,
provide more transparency for the competitor and also provide judges
training.<br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Verdana><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
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font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>Jim W.<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>JShulman<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 27, 2007 1:49
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?<br>
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</span></font><font size=4 color=blue face=Verdana><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>Probably the best reason not to have
it...lol. It's bad enough when we screw-up... I mean when a pilot
screws-up and you hear all the OOOooooohhhhhhhhhhhh's from the crowd. Now
just imagine the uproar when someone gets judged for a maneuver that they
are doing all wrong! Total Chaos!<br>
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</span></font><font size=2><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Regards,<br>
Jason<br>
<a href="http://www.jasonshulman.com">www.jasonshulman.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</a></span></font><font
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font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></font></b><font size=2
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Koopowitz<br>
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</span></font><font size=4><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>can you just imagine
all the "oohhhss and aahhhs" from the spectators.
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