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color=#0000ff size=2>At the RC/RC contest in HSV AL. Don Peck will sit out in
the bleachers and educate anyone he can corner as to what they are looking at
and as to what they are supposed to be looking at, He passes out call
sheets and at one time I believe he had aresti's to show the spectators. Granted
he is no cowboy cheerleader, but he does try to educate people as to what we as
pattern flyers are about.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John
Gayer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the
times.<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>I was only pointing out that there are several reasons for very few
spectators. One is that any spectator that does show up must be agressive about
asking questions in order to have a clue that there is even an official event in
progress. If we had a scoreboard and handouts accessible to these
imaginary spectators(might even help new girlfriends) that provide a basis to
ask reasonably intelligent questions like "how high can you make it go" <SPAN
class=moz-smiley-s1><SPAN>:-) </SPAN></SPAN><BR>Spectators are available if a
press release is issued to media outlets and flyers are put up at each flying
field in the area and every hobby shop.<BR><BR>Of course, if you can guarentee
the attendance of the Dallas cheerleaders in you press release, you had better
figure out how to rent some grandstands.<BR><BR>John<BR><BR>J N Hiller wrote:
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Great, professional
callers too.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim
Hiller<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jerry Stebbins<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:00
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the times.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Seems like we are
flogging the dead horse for some other reason than the "Spectators". TOC
comparisons are a reach. Most "spectators" are other contestants/helpers. Few
wannabes come out unless they are working, and if they have the pattern itch
they would be there anyway. Those are they ones we can talk
to/explain/cultivate/ let fly after the contest!.
</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Maybe the old days of
short shorts callers could be brought back by developing and forming a
set of touring callers--how about calling the Dallas Cheerleaders and see
if they would be interested. THAT would probably increase our "Spectator"
base. :) :) </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wonder what the
underlying reason is for this thread-anyone willing to
fess-up?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jerry</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
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August 28, 2007 1:00 AM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></P>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the
times.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Uh, what are you guys talking
about? Spectators at a Pattern contest? Where are they? Do wives and
girlfriends count?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John Pavlick<BR><A
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<DIV>From:<FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=jgghome@comcast.net
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">John Gayer</A>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the
times.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></FONT></B></P>
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face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Having
a large scoreboard with names(maybe pictures of pilots with airplanes) and raw
scores would help. So would providing handouts on the patterns and pattern in
general.<BR><BR>Not having been to an IMAC contest in years, are they doing
better in providing information to spectators? Are they getting large
crowds for the unknowns and freestyles?<BR>The TOC had a large scoreboard that
was kept uptodate, as I recall, with raw scores and handed out the patterns
being flown.<BR>Must be why they had such large crowds <SPAN
class=moz-smiley-s1>:-) </SPAN><BR>John<BR><BR>Mark Atwood wrote:
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face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">To take that a step
further...when was the last time you saw them televise the Figure Skating
compulsory rounds...which is basically what we fly...the EXACT same routine.
They’ve dropped the “figures” portion of the competition completely.
<BR><BR>But I still think it would be entertaining to see
scores...though I agree it is likely to create
problems.<BR><BR>-M<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 8/27/07 11:30 PM, "JShulman" <A
href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com"><jshulman@cfl.rr.com></A>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></FONT></B></P></DIV>
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face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT
face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Has anyone else
thought that pattern is just really boring? Lets face it, if you don't enjoy
precision flying, there isn't much that can be done to spice it up. It's still
the same sequences being flown flight after flight. <BR><BR>As for the scoring
real-time... the only one's that it would matter to would be the one's
participating in the contest. Not necessarily just the one's in the class, but
the one's that stay the extra day to watch. Until we throw in some sort of
freestyle or combat, it's just pattern. Who would watch figure skating without
music? <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
href="http://www.jasonshulman.com">www.jasonshulman.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</A>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%5D">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</A><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Lance Van
Nostrand<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday,
August 27, 2007 10:17 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Are we
behind the times?<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm
willing to try things that would make pattern more spectator friendly.
I think the reason the lone spectator talking during a flight has
such an effect is because its a lone person and talking loud enough that
judges can hear is rare. If it became common place we would soon
tune it out and spectators would be better able to follow the
contest.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Your
points are excellent. In my area we don't require judges to
initial their scoresheets. I don'tunderstand this and I always
initial mine, but I also sometimes put downgrade shorthand next to my
scores for pilots that enjoy knowing why they got a certain score.
The occasions that pilots have approached me afterwards were
supportive and spiritbuilding.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">--Lance<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<BR> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
Woodward, Jim <A
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com"><mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com></A>
<BR> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA
Mailing List <A
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<BR> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Monday, August 27, 2007 1:08 PM<BR> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Are we
behind the
times?<BR> <BR><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I heard a story
from this years nats where one of the Advanced competitors that was in
contention flew a less-than-perfect maneuver, and another pilot who was
also in contention (and watching) yelled out an inappropriate remark.
I think that audience input or influence is something we should
steer away from for precision aerobatics. We certainly do not need
it to be quiet like for golf, but direct statements meant to be heard by
the judges are not good.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Although slightly
off topic – what I do think we should do is post all raw scores every
flight for every pilot (I think this is done for the WC). I think
this would provide the following
opportunities:</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></FONT></B></P></DIV>
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><!--[endif]--><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The
availability of the raw scores would in itself represent and INCREDIBLE
judges training tool. Seasoned and new competitor alike could
watch flights together, make comments and discuss, then go back later
and see if what they thought they saw was in line with the scores for
that flight. There is all kinds of opportunity here to facilitate
judging training (.. ideas welcome).</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Posting of raw
scores would allow “judges” to after-the-fact see how they performed
compared to their judging partners. There is all kinds of good
value that could come from this. Whether noted privately or
discussed between each other, it is good from time to time to check
yourself.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Posting of raw
scores would help keep the honest man honest. By posting raw
scores, I think there would be a reduction of bias any way you cut it:
Santa-Clausing, Low-balling, “teams”, regionality, or other bias’
would be removed/reduced if the person knew ahead of time that the
judges scores would be posted.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><!--[endif]--><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">And
most importantly, increased “transparency” in the system helps the
seasoned and new comer alike understand the process of the contest,
scoring, and “how” the 1000, 900, or 800’s came to be. I believe
that no matter whom you are, you want to leave a contest and feel like
you (& everyone) was dealt a fair hand. Transparency is the
key to this. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><!--[endif]--><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">OK –
last one – it takes “scoring” which is a topic of much discussion during
and after a pattern contest in case you haven’t heard, away from a
shadowy discussion, and brings to the open this topic which everyone is
already discussing. This would do a lot to remove ammunition from
the conspiracy theorist and such whom all of our districts have.
Transparency is good </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">J
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face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I write none of
this from the sour-grapes perspective. I love this stuff. I
think the potential benefits from posting the raws would out weight the
potential bad, provide more transparency for the competitor and also
provide judges training.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
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face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Thanks,<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Jim
W.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>JShulman<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Monday, August 27, 2007 1:49 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Are we
behind the times?<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Verdana color=blue size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Probably the best
reason not to have it...lol. It's bad enough when we screw-up... I mean
when a pilot screws-up and you hear all the OOOooooohhhhhhhhhhhh's from
the crowd. Now just imagine the uproar when someone gets judged for a
maneuver that they are doing all wrong! Total
Chaos!<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
href="http://www.jasonshulman.com">www.jasonshulman.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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Of </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Derek
Koopowitz<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=4><SPAN
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size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">can you just imagine all the "oohhhss
and aahhhs" from the spectators.
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