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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm willing to try things that would make pattern
more spectator friendly. I think the reason the lone spectator talking
during a flight has such an effect is because its a lone person and talking
loud enough that judges can hear is rare. If it became common place we
would soon tune it out and spectators would be better able to follow the
contest.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Your points are excellent. In my area we
don't require judges to initial their scoresheets. I don'tunderstand this
and I always initial mine, but I also sometimes put downgrade shorthand next to
my scores for pilots that enjoy knowing why they got a certain score. The
occasions that pilots have approached me afterwards were supportive and
spiritbuilding.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jim.woodward@baesystems.com
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward, Jim</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 27, 2007 1:08
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Are we
behind the times?</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I heard a story from
this years nats where one of the Advanced competitors that was in contention
flew a less-than-perfect maneuver, and another pilot who was also in
contention (and watching) yelled out an inappropriate remark. I think
that audience input or influence is something we should steer away from for
precision aerobatics. We certainly do not need it to be quiet like for
golf, but direct statements meant to be heard by the judges are not
good.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Although slightly off
topic – what I do think we should do is post all raw scores every flight for
every pilot (I think this is done for the WC). I think this would
provide the following opportunities:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The availability of the raw
scores would in itself represent and INCREDIBLE judges training tool.
Seasoned and new competitor alike could watch flights together, make
comments and discuss, then go back later and see if what they thought they
saw was in line with the scores for that flight. There is all kinds of
opportunity here to facilitate judging training (.. ideas
welcome).<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Posting of raw scores would
allow “judges” to after-the-fact see how they performed compared to their
judging partners. There is all kinds of good value that could come
from this. Whether noted privately or discussed between each other, it
is good from time to time to check yourself.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Posting of raw scores would help
keep the honest man honest. By posting raw scores, I think there would
be a reduction of bias any way you cut it: Santa-Clausing,
Low-balling, “teams”, regionality, or other bias’ would be removed/reduced
if the person knew ahead of time that the judges scores would be
posted.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And most importantly, increased
“transparency” in the system helps the seasoned and new comer alike
understand the process of the contest, scoring, and “how” the 1000, 900, or
800’s came to be. I believe that no matter whom you are, you want to
leave a contest and feel like you (& everyone) was dealt a fair
hand. Transparency is the key to this. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OK – last one – it takes
“scoring” which is a topic of much discussion during and after a pattern
contest in case you haven’t heard, away from a shadowy discussion, and
brings to the open this topic which everyone is already discussing.
This would do a lot to remove ammunition from the conspiracy theorist and
such whom all of our districts have. Transparency is good
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I write none of this
from the sour-grapes perspective. I love this stuff. I think the
potential benefits from posting the raws would out weight the potential bad,
provide more transparency for the competitor and also provide judges
training.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>JShulman<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 27, 2007 1:49
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w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR><B><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Probably the best
reason not to have it...lol. It's bad enough when we screw-up... I mean when a
pilot screws-up and you hear all the OOOooooohhhhhhhhhhhh's from the crowd.
Now just imagine the uproar when someone gets judged for a maneuver that they
are doing all wrong! Total Chaos!</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com</SPAN></FONT>
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Koopowitz</SPAN></FONT></ST1:PERSONNAME><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">can you just imagine all the "oohhhss and aahhhs"
from the spectators.
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