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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Same here Matt. There are always a few spectators
milling around in the background at our contests. They watch awhile and contribute
to food sales. If I notice them and have time I will get a score sheet for the
class that is flying and try to show them what we are doing and where the pilot
is at in the sequence if they are interested.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>On real time score display, I was watching my Niece
compete in a gymnastics meet and the judges had a key pad of some sort. When the
task was done the judges would enter scores on their key pad and the scores
would be displayed on a scrolling sign board across the room for the audience
to see. I didn’t see the system up close but may be able to be adapted for
our use.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Dowayne <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Matthew Frederick<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 28, 2007
2:14 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] We
aren't behind the times.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>We've had spectators at both contests I've attended
so far this year. Usually people who are into flying, just not into pattern.
They come out, ask questions, watch some flights, and have a burger. There's
not many, and they usually hide out in the background, but you can normally
spot at least one or two that are there just to watch.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com" title="jpavlick@idseng.com">John Pavlick</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday,
August 28, 2007 1:00 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
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[NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the times.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Uh, what are you guys talking about? Spectators at a
Pattern contest? Where are they? Do wives and girlfriends count?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>John Pavlick<br>
<a href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" title="jgghome@comcast.net">John Gayer</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday,
August 28, 2007 12:12 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the times.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Having a large scoreboard with names(maybe pictures of
pilots with airplanes) and raw scores would help. So would providing handouts
on the patterns and pattern in general.<br>
<br>
Not having been to an IMAC contest in years, are they doing better in providing
information to spectators? Are they getting large crowds for the unknowns
and freestyles?<br>
The TOC had a large scoreboard that was kept uptodate, as I recall, with raw
scores and handed out the patterns being flown.<br>
Must be why they had such large crowds <span class=moz-smiley-s1>:-) </span><br>
John<br>
<br>
Mark Atwood wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=1 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>To take that
a step further...when was the last time you saw them televise the Figure
Skating compulsory rounds...which is basically what we fly...the EXACT same
routine. They’ve dropped the “figures” portion of the
competition completely. <br>
<br>
But I still think it would be entertaining to see scores...though I agree it is
likely to create problems.<br>
<br>
-M<br>
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On 8/27/07 11:30 PM, "JShulman" <a href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com"><jshulman@cfl.rr.com></a>
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Has anyone else thought that pattern is
just really boring? Lets face it, if you don't enjoy precision flying, there
isn't much that can be done to spice it up. It's still the same sequences being
flown flight after flight. <br>
<br>
As for the scoring real-time... the only one's that it would matter to would be
the one's participating in the contest. Not necessarily just the one's in the
class, but the one's that stay the extra day to watch. Until we throw in some
sort of freestyle or combat, it's just pattern. Who would watch figure skating
without music? <br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'>Regards,<br>
Jason<br>
<a href="http://www.jasonshulman.com">www.jasonshulman.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></font><font size=1 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%5D">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</a><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lance Van Nostrand<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 27, 2007
10:17 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I'm willing to try things that would make pattern more spectator
friendly. I think the reason the lone spectator talking during a flight
has such an effect is because its a lone person and talking loud enough
that judges can hear is rare. If it became common place we would
soon tune it out and spectators would be better able to follow the
contest.<br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><br>
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</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Your points are excellent. In my area we don't require
judges to initial their scoresheets. I don'tunderstand this and I
always initial mine, but I also sometimes put downgrade shorthand next to
my scores for pilots that enjoy knowing why they got a certain score.
The occasions that pilots have approached me afterwards were
supportive and spiritbuilding.<br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><br>
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</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>--Lance<br>
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font-family:Helvetica'><br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Woodward, Jim <a
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com"><mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com></a>
<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 27, 2007 1:08
PM<br>
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>I heard a story from this years
nats where one of the Advanced competitors that was in contention flew a
less-than-perfect maneuver, and another pilot who was also in contention
(and watching) yelled out an inappropriate remark. I think that
audience input or influence is something we should steer away from for
precision aerobatics. We certainly do not need it to be quiet like
for golf, but direct statements meant to be heard by the judges are not
good.<br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>Although slightly off topic
– what I do think we should do is post all raw scores every flight
for every pilot (I think this is done for the WC). I think this
would provide the following opportunities:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>The availability
of the raw scores would in itself represent and INCREDIBLE judges
training tool. Seasoned and new competitor alike could watch
flights together, make comments and discuss, then go back later and
see if what they thought they saw was in line with the scores for
that flight. There is all kinds of opportunity here to
facilitate judging training (.. ideas welcome).</span></font><font
size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>Posting of raw
scores would allow “judges” to after-the-fact see how
they performed compared to their judging partners. There is
all kinds of good value that could come from this. Whether
noted privately or discussed between each other, it is good from
time to time to check yourself.</span></font><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>Posting of raw
scores would help keep the honest man honest. By posting raw
scores, I think there would be a reduction of bias any way you cut
it: Santa-Clausing, Low-balling, “teams”, regionality,
or other bias’ would be removed/reduced if the person knew
ahead of time that the judges scores would be posted.</span></font><font
size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>And most
importantly, increased “transparency” in the system
helps the seasoned and new comer alike understand the process of the
contest, scoring, and “how” the 1000, 900, or
800’s came to be. I believe that no matter whom you are, you
want to leave a contest and feel like you (& everyone) was dealt
a fair hand. Transparency is the key to this. </span></font><font
size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>OK – last
one – it takes “scoring” which is a topic of much
discussion during and after a pattern contest in case you
haven’t heard, away from a shadowy discussion, and brings to
the open this topic which everyone is already discussing. This
would do a lot to remove ammunition from the conspiracy theorist and
such whom all of our districts have. Transparency is good
</span></font><font size=2 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>J </span></font><o:p></o:p></li>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>I write none of this from the
sour-grapes perspective. I love this stuff. I think the
potential benefits from posting the raws would out weight the potential
bad, provide more transparency for the competitor and also provide judges
training.<br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>Thanks,<br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>Jim W.<br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'><br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>JShulman<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 27, 2007 1:49
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?<br>
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</span></font><font color=blue face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica;
color:blue'>Probably the best reason not to have it...lol. It's bad enough
when we screw-up... I mean when a pilot screws-up and you hear all the
OOOooooohhhhhhhhhhhh's from the crowd. Now just imagine the uproar when
someone gets judged for a maneuver that they are doing all wrong! Total
Chaos!<br>
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<a href="http://www.jasonshulman.com">www.jasonshulman.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</a><br>
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