So Gary wouldn't it be nice for those attending to see live scores posted? Mike<BR><BR><B><I>"Courtney, Gary Ray" <grcourtney@tva.gov></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3132" name=GENERATOR> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=193164517-28082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>At the RC/RC contest in HSV AL. Don Peck will sit out in the bleachers and educate anyone he can corner as to what they are looking at and as to what they are supposed to be looking at, He passes out call sheets and at one time I believe he had aresti's to show the spectators. Granted he is no cowboy cheerleader, but he does try to educate people as to what we as pattern flyers are about.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=193164517-28082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN
class=193164517-28082007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>gary</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left> <HR tabIndex=-1> <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John Gayer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the times.<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV>I was only pointing out that there are several reasons for very few spectators. One is that any spectator that does show up must be agressive about asking questions in order to have a clue that there is even an official event in progress. If we had a scoreboard and handouts accessible to these imaginary spectators(might even help new girlfriends) that provide a basis to ask reasonably intelligent questions like "how high can you make it go" <SPAN
class=moz-smiley-s1><SPAN>:-) </SPAN></SPAN><BR>Spectators are available if a press release is issued to media outlets and flyers are put up at each flying field in the area and every hobby shop.<BR><BR>Of course, if you can guarentee the attendance of the Dallas cheerleaders in you press release, you had better figure out how to rent some grandstands.<BR><BR>John<BR><BR>J N Hiller wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite=midHDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPOELIDEAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net type="cite"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Generator> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C7E95C.45A87740" rel=File-List><LINK href="cid:editdata.mso@01C7E95C.45A87740" rel=Edit-Time-Data> <STYLE>v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } </STYLE> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Tahoma; }
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mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } OL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in } UL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in } </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Great, professional callers too.<?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim Hiller<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle21><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jerry Stebbins<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:00 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the times.</SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Seems like we are flogging the dead horse for some other reason than the "Spectators". TOC comparisons are a reach. Most "spectators" are other contestants/helpers. Few wannabes come out unless they are working, and if they have the pattern itch they would be there anyway. Those are they ones we can talk to/explain/cultivate/ let fly after the contest!. </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Maybe the old days of short shorts callers could be brought back by developing and forming a set of touring callers--how about calling the Dallas Cheerleaders and see if they would be interested. THAT would probably increase our "Spectator" base. :) :) </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT:
0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wonder what the underlying reason is for this thread-anyone willing to fess-up?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jerry</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></div> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 40.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message ----- <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 40.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; moz-background-clip: initial; moz-background-origin: initial; moz-background-inline-policy: initial"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <DIV>From:<FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John Pavlick</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></FONT></B> <div></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 40.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 40.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:00 AM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium
none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 40.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the times.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 40.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium
none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 40.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Uh, what are you guys talking about? Spectators at a Pattern contest? Where are they? Do wives and girlfriends count?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 40.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in;
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 40.2pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com/">http://www.idseng.com</A></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></div></DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 44.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 44.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; moz-background-clip: initial; moz-background-origin: initial; moz-background-inline-policy: initial"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <DIV>From:<FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=jgghome@comcast.net href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">John Gayer</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></FONT></B></FONT></B> <div></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 44.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium
none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 44.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:12 AM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 44.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the times.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 44.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium
none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 44.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Having a large scoreboard with names(maybe pictures of pilots with airplanes) and raw scores would help. So would providing handouts on the patterns and pattern in general.<BR><BR>Not having been to an IMAC contest in years, are they doing better in providing information to spectators? Are they getting large
crowds for the unknowns and freestyles?<BR>The TOC had a large scoreboard that was kept uptodate, as I recall, with raw scores and handed out the patterns being flown.<BR>Must be why they had such large crowds <SPAN class=moz-smiley-s1>:-) </SPAN><BR>John<BR><BR>Mark Atwood wrote: <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></FONT></B></div></DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 80.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">To
take that a step further...when was the last time you saw them televise the Figure Skating compulsory rounds...which is basically what we fly...the EXACT same routine. They’ve dropped the “figures” portion of the competition completely. <BR><BR>But I still think it would be entertaining to see scores...though I agree it is likely to create problems.<BR><BR>-M<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 8/27/07 11:30 PM, "JShulman" <A href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com"><jshulman@cfl.rr.com></A> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></FONT></B></div></DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 116.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in;
BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Has anyone else thought that pattern is just really boring? Lets face it, if you don't enjoy precision flying, there isn't much that can be done to spice it up. It's still the same sequences being flown flight after flight. <BR><BR>As for the scoring real-time... the only one's that it would matter to would be the one's participating in the contest. Not necessarily just the one's in the class, but the one's that stay the extra day to watch. Until we throw in some sort of freestyle or combat, it's just pattern. Who would watch figure skating without music? <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A href="http://www.jasonshulman.com/">www.jasonshulman.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com/">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.composite-arf.com/">www.composite-arf.com</A> </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></FONT></B></div></DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 152.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%5D">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</A><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Lance Van Nostrand<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 27, 2007 10:17 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Are we behind the times?<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm willing to try things that would make pattern more spectator friendly. I think the reason the lone spectator talking during a flight has such an effect is
because its a lone person and talking loud enough that judges can hear is rare. If it became common place we would soon tune it out and spectators would be better able to follow the contest.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Your points are excellent. In my area we don't require judges to initial their scoresheets. I don'tunderstand this and I always initial mine, but I also sometimes put downgrade shorthand next to my scores for pilots that enjoy knowing why they got a certain score. The occasions that pilots have approached me afterwards were supportive and spiritbuilding.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">--Lance<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></FONT></B></div></DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 188.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
Woodward, Jim <A href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com"><mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com></A> <BR> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></A> <BR> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 27, 2007 1:08 PM<BR> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Are we behind the times?<BR> <BR><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I heard a story from this years nats where one of the Advanced competitors that was in contention flew a less-than-perfect maneuver, and another pilot who was also in contention (and watching) yelled out an inappropriate remark. I think that audience
input or influence is something we should steer away from for precision aerobatics. We certainly do not need it to be quiet like for golf, but direct statements meant to be heard by the judges are not good.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Although slightly off topic – what I do think we should do is post all raw scores every flight for every pilot (I think this is done for the WC). I think this would provide the following opportunities:</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></FONT></B></div></DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT:
medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 224.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><!--[if !supportLists]--><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1.<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><!--[endif]--><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The availability of the raw scores would in itself represent and INCREDIBLE judges training tool. Seasoned and new competitor alike could watch flights together, make comments and discuss, then go back later and see if what they thought they saw was in line
with the scores for that flight. There is all kinds of opportunity here to facilitate judging training (.. ideas welcome).</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 224.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><!--[if !supportLists]--><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2.<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><!--[endif]--><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Posting of raw scores would allow “judges” to after-the-fact see how they performed compared to their judging partners. There is all kinds of good value that could come from this. Whether noted privately or discussed between each other, it is good from time to time to check yourself.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 224.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><!--[if !supportLists]--><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">3.<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><!--[endif]--><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Posting of raw scores would help keep the honest man honest. By posting raw scores, I think there would be a reduction of bias any way you cut it: Santa-Clausing, Low-balling, “teams”, regionality, or other bias’ would be removed/reduced if the person knew ahead of time that the judges scores would be posted.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 224.4pt; BORDER-LEFT:
medium none; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><!--[if !supportLists]--><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">4.<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><!--[endif]--><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">And most importantly, increased “transparency” in the system helps the seasoned and new comer alike understand the process of the contest, scoring, and “how” the 1000, 900, or 800’s came to be. I believe that no matter whom you are, you want to leave a contest and feel like you (& everyone) was dealt a fair hand. Transparency is the key to this.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></FONT></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 224.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><!--[if !supportLists]--><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">5.<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><!--[endif]--><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">OK – last one – it takes “scoring” which is a topic of much discussion during and
after a pattern contest in case you haven’t heard, away from a shadowy discussion, and brings to the open this topic which everyone is already discussing. This would do a lot to remove ammunition from the conspiracy theorist and such whom all of our districts have. Transparency is good </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">J </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></FONT></B></div></DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 188.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I write none of this from the sour-grapes perspective. I love this stuff. I think the potential benefits from posting the raws would out weight the potential bad, provide more transparency for the competitor and also provide judges training.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Thanks,<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
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color=black size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> <HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></B></FONT></B></DIV> <div style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 188.4pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><FONT face=Verdana color=black size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%5D">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</A> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>JShulman<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 27, 2007 1:49 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Are we behind the times?<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=blue size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Probably the best reason not to have it...lol. It's bad enough when we screw-up... I mean when a pilot
screws-up and you hear all the OOOooooohhhhhhhhhhhh's from the crowd. Now just imagine the uproar when someone gets judged for a maneuver that they are doing all wrong! Total Chaos!<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR> <BR><BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A href="http://www.jasonshulman.com/">www.jasonshulman.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com/">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.composite-arf.com/">www.composite-arf.com</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></FONT></B></FONT></B></div></DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div
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