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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Sounds
good now all we need are professional judges.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jay Marshall<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 28, 2007
5:10 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] We
aren't behind the times.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It could be done with
Bluetooth keypads and some inexpensive laptops. The real show would be to have
a couple of plasma screens in the background which could display flight video,
diagrams of the required sequences, RT scores, spectator info, etc. Not
an inexpensive setup but maybe possible on a district basis?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Brush Script MT"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Brush Script MT";
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Jay Marshall</span></font></i></b> <o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>DoWayne Gould<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:37
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] We
aren't behind the times.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Same here Matt.
There are always a few spectators milling around in the background at our
contests. They watch awhile and contribute to food sales. If I notice them and
have time I will get a score sheet for the class that is flying and try to show
them what we are doing and where the pilot is at in the sequence if they are
interested.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>On real time
score display, I was watching my Niece compete in a gymnastics meet and the
judges had a key pad of some sort. When the task was done the judges would
enter scores on their key pad and the scores would be displayed on a scrolling
sign board across the room for the audience to see. I didn’t see the system up
close but may be able to be adapted for our use.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Dowayne </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Matthew Frederick<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 28, 2007
2:14 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] We
aren't behind the times.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>We've had
spectators at both contests I've attended so far this year. Usually people who
are into flying, just not into pattern. They come out, ask questions, watch
some flights, and have a burger. There's not many, and they usually hide out in
the background, but you can normally spot at least one or two that are there
just to watch.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Matt</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>-----
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>
<div style='font-color:black'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com"
title="jpavlick@idseng.com">John Pavlick</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:00 AM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] We aren't
behind the times.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:75.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Uh,
what are you guys talking about? Spectators at a Pattern contest? Where are
they? Do wives and girlfriends count?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>John
Pavlick<br>
<a href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>
<div style='font-color:black'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"
title="jgghome@comcast.net">John Gayer</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:12 AM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] We aren't
behind the times.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Having a
large scoreboard with names(maybe pictures of pilots with airplanes) and raw
scores would help. So would providing handouts on the patterns and pattern in
general.<br>
<br>
Not having been to an IMAC contest in years, are they doing better in providing
information to spectators? Are they getting large crowds for the unknowns
and freestyles?<br>
The TOC had a large scoreboard that was kept uptodate, as I recall, with raw
scores and handed out the patterns being flown.<br>
Must be why they had such large crowds <span class=moz-smiley-s1>:-) </span><br>
John<br>
<br>
Mark Atwood wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=1 color=black
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>To take that
a step further...when was the last time you saw them televise the Figure
Skating compulsory rounds...which is basically what we fly...the EXACT same
routine. They’ve dropped the “figures” portion of the competition
completely. <br>
<br>
But I still think it would be entertaining to see scores...though I agree it is
likely to create problems.<br>
<br>
-M<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/27/07 11:30 PM, "JShulman" <a href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com"><jshulman@cfl.rr.com></a>
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:79.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=1
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Has anyone else thought that pattern is just really boring? Lets
face it, if you don't enjoy precision flying, there isn't much that can be done
to spice it up. It's still the same sequences being flown flight after flight. <br>
<br>
As for the scoring real-time... the only one's that it would matter to would be
the one's participating in the contest. Not necessarily just the one's in the
class, but the one's that stay the extra day to watch. Until we throw in some
sort of freestyle or combat, it's just pattern. Who would watch figure skating
without music? <br>
</span></font><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Helvetica'>Regards,<br>
Jason<br>
<a href="http://www.jasonshulman.com">www.jasonshulman.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
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style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lance Van Nostrand<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 27, 2007
10:17 PM<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?<br>
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</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I'm willing to try things that would make pattern more spectator
friendly. I think the reason the lone spectator talking during a
flight has such an effect is because its a lone person and talking loud
enough that judges can hear is rare. If it became common place we
would soon tune it out and spectators would be better able to follow the
contest.<br>
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</span></font><font size=1 face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Your points are excellent. In my area we don't require
judges to initial their scoresheets. I don'tunderstand this and I
always initial mine, but I also sometimes put downgrade shorthand next to
my scores for pilots that enjoy knowing why they got a certain score.
The occasions that pilots have approached me afterwards were
supportive and spiritbuilding.<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Woodward, Jim <a
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com"><mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com></a>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 27, 2007 1:08
PM<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?<br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>I heard a story from this years
nats where one of the Advanced competitors that was in contention flew a
less-than-perfect maneuver, and another pilot who was also in contention
(and watching) yelled out an inappropriate remark. I think that
audience input or influence is something we should steer away from for
precision aerobatics. We certainly do not need it to be quiet like
for golf, but direct statements meant to be heard by the judges are not
good.<br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>Although slightly off topic –
what I do think we should do is post all raw scores every flight for
every pilot (I think this is done for the WC). I think this would
provide the following opportunities:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>1.</span></font><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:navy'>The availability of the raw scores would in itself
represent and INCREDIBLE judges training tool. Seasoned and new
competitor alike could watch flights together, make comments and discuss,
then go back later and see if what they thought they saw was in line with
the scores for that flight. There is all kinds of opportunity here
to facilitate judging training (.. ideas welcome).</span></font><font
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>2.</span></font><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:navy'>Posting of raw scores would allow “judges” to
after-the-fact see how they performed compared to their judging partners.
There is all kinds of good value that could come from this.
Whether noted privately or discussed between each other, it is good
from time to time to check yourself.</span></font><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>3.</span></font><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:navy'>Posting of raw scores would help keep the honest
man honest. By posting raw scores, I think there would be a
reduction of bias any way you cut it: Santa-Clausing, Low-balling,
“teams”, regionality, or other bias’ would be removed/reduced if the
person knew ahead of time that the judges scores would be posted.</span></font><font
size=1 face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>4.</span></font><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:navy'>And most importantly, increased “transparency” in
the system helps the seasoned and new comer alike understand the process
of the contest, scoring, and “how” the 1000, 900, or 800’s came to be.
I believe that no matter whom you are, you want to leave a contest
and feel like you (& everyone) was dealt a fair hand. Transparency
is the key to this. </span></font><font size=1 face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>5.</span></font><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:navy'>OK – last one – it takes “scoring” which is a topic
of much discussion during and after a pattern contest in case you haven’t
heard, away from a shadowy discussion, and brings to the open this topic
which everyone is already discussing. This would do a lot to remove
ammunition from the conspiracy theorist and such whom all of our
districts have. Transparency is good </span></font><font size=2
face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>J </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>I write none of this from the
sour-grapes perspective. I love this stuff. I think the
potential benefits from posting the raws would out weight the potential
bad, provide more transparency for the competitor and also provide judges
training.<br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>Thanks,<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>JShulman<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 27, 2007 1:49
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?<br>
</span></font><font face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica'><br>
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</span></font><font color=blue face=Helvetica><span style='font-family:Helvetica;
color:blue'>Probably the best reason not to have it...lol. It's bad enough
when we screw-up... I mean when a pilot screws-up and you hear all the
OOOooooohhhhhhhhhhhh's from the crowd. Now just imagine the uproar when
someone gets judged for a maneuver that they are doing all wrong! Total
Chaos!<br>
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</span></font><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Regards,<br>
Jason<br>
<a href="http://www.jasonshulman.com">www.jasonshulman.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</a></span></font><font
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</span></font>can you just imagine all the "oohhhss and aahhhs"
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