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I was only pointing out that there are several reasons for very few
spectators. One is that any spectator that does show up must be
agressive about asking questions in order to have a clue that there is
even an official event in progress. If we had a scoreboard and
handouts accessible to these imaginary spectators(might even help new
girlfriends) that provide a basis to ask reasonably intelligent
questions like "how high can you make it go" <span
class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
Spectators are available if a press release is issued to media outlets
and flyers are put up at each flying field in the area and every hobby
shop.<br>
<br>
Of course, if you can guarentee the attendance of the Dallas
cheerleaders in you press release, you had better figure out how to
rent some grandstands.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
J N Hiller wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="EmailStyle21"><font color="navy"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Great,
professional callers too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="EmailStyle21"><font color="navy"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="EmailStyle21"><font color="navy"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jerry Stebbins<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August
28, 2007
6:00 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] We
aren't behind the times.</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="black"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Seems like we are
flogging the dead horse for some other reason than the "Spectators".
TOC comparisons are a reach. Most "spectators" are other
contestants/helpers. Few wannabes come out unless they are working, and
if they
have the pattern itch they would be there anyway. Those are they ones
we can
talk to/explain/cultivate/ let fly after the contest!. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="black"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Maybe the old days
of short shorts callers could be brought back by developing and
forming a
set of touring callers--how about calling the Dallas Cheerleaders and
see
if they would be interested. THAT would probably increase our
"Spectator" base. :) :) </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="black"
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Wonder what the
underlying reason is for this thread-anyone willing to fess-up?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Jerry</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div style="">From:<font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com" title="jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><b><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">To:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></font></b></p>
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size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Tuesday,
August 28, 2007 1:00 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></font></b></p>
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style="border: medium none ; padding: 0in; margin-left: 40.2pt;"><b><font
color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><b><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the times.<o:p></o:p></span></font></font></b></p>
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style="border: medium none ; padding: 0in; margin-left: 40.2pt;"><b><font
color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><font color="black"
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="border: medium none ; padding: 0in; margin-left: 40.2pt;"><b><font
color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Uh, what
are you
guys talking about? Spectators at a Pattern contest? Where are they?
Do wives and girlfriends count?</span></font><o:p></o:p></font></b></p>
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style="border: medium none ; padding: 0in; margin-left: 40.2pt;"><b><font
color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">John
Pavlick<br>
<a href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></font></b></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">
<div style="">From:<font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" title="jgghome@comcast.net">John
Gayer</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div>
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size="2"><b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">To:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></font></b></font></b></p>
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style="border: medium none ; padding: 0in; margin-left: 44.4pt;"><b><font
color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><b><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Tuesday,
August 28, 2007 12:12 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></font></b></font></b></p>
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color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><b><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></font></b><font
face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] We aren't behind the times.<o:p></o:p></span></font></font></b></font></b></p>
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style="border: medium none ; padding: 0in; margin-left: 44.4pt;"><b><font
color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><b><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></b></font></b></p>
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style="border: medium none ; padding: 0in; margin-left: 44.4pt;"><b><font
color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><b><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Having a large scoreboard
with names(maybe pictures of pilots with airplanes) and raw scores
would help.
So would providing handouts on the patterns and pattern in general.<br>
<br>
Not having been to an IMAC contest in years, are they doing better in
providing
information to spectators? Are they getting large crowds for the
unknowns
and freestyles?<br>
The TOC had a large scoreboard that was kept uptodate, as I recall,
with raw
scores and handed out the patterns being flown.<br>
Must be why they had such large crowds <span class="moz-smiley-s1">:-)
</span><br>
John<br>
<br>
Mark Atwood wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></font></b></font></b></p>
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color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><b><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="2"><font color="black" face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;">To take that a
step further...when was the last time you saw them televise the Figure
Skating
compulsory rounds...which is basically what we fly...the EXACT same
routine.
They’ve dropped the “figures” portion of the competition completely.
<br>
<br>
But I still think it would be entertaining to see scores...though I
agree it is
likely to create problems.<br>
<br>
-M<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/27/07 11:30 PM, "JShulman" <a href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com"><jshulman@cfl.rr.com></a>
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></font></b></font></b></p>
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size="2"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Has anyone
else thought that pattern is just really boring? Lets
face it, if you don't enjoy precision flying, there isn't much that can
be done
to spice it up. It's still the same sequences being flown flight after
flight. <br>
<br>
As for the scoring real-time... the only one's that it would matter to
would be
the one's participating in the contest. Not necessarily just the one's
in the
class, but the one's that stay the extra day to watch. Until we throw
in some
sort of freestyle or combat, it's just pattern. Who would watch figure
skating
without music? <br>
</span></font><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;">Regards,<br>
Jason<br>
<a href="http://www.jasonshulman.com">www.jasonshulman.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></font></b></font></b></p>
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</span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%5D">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</a><b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Lance Van Nostrand<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August
27, 2007
10:17 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?<br>
<br>
</span></font><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;"><br>
</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I'm willing to try things
that would make pattern more spectator
friendly. I think the reason the lone spectator talking during a
flight has such an effect is because its a lone person and talking
loud
enough that judges can hear is rare. If it became common place we
would soon tune it out and spectators would be better able to follow
the
contest.<br>
</span></font><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;"><br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Your points are
excellent. In my area we don't require
judges to initial their scoresheets. I don'tunderstand this and I
always initial mine, but I also sometimes put downgrade shorthand next
to
my scores for pilots that enjoy knowing why they got a certain score.
The occasions that pilots have approached me afterwards were
supportive and spiritbuilding.<br>
</span></font><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;"><br>
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<br>
</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">--Lance<br>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;"><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?<br>
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</span></font><font color="navy" face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana; color: navy;">I heard a
story from this years nats
where one of the Advanced competitors that was in contention flew a
less-than-perfect maneuver, and another pilot who was also in
contention
(and watching) yelled out an inappropriate remark. I think that
audience input or influence is something we should steer away from for
precision aerobatics. We certainly do not need it to be quiet like
for golf, but direct statements meant to be heard by the judges are not
good.<br>
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</span></font><font color="navy" face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana; color: navy;">Although
slightly off topic – what I do
think we should do is post all raw scores every flight for every pilot
(I
think this is done for the WC). I think this would provide the
following opportunities:</span></font><o:p></o:p></font></b></font></b></p>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana; color: navy;">The
availability of the raw scores would in itself represent
and INCREDIBLE judges training tool. Seasoned and new competitor
alike could watch flights together, make comments and discuss, then go
back later and see if what they thought they saw was in line with the
scores
for that flight. There is all kinds of opportunity here to
facilitate judging training (.. ideas welcome).</span></font><font
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face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana; color: navy;">Posting of
raw scores would allow “judges” to after-the-fact
see how they performed compared to their judging partners. There is
all kinds of good value that could come from this. Whether noted
privately or discussed between each other, it is good from time to
time
to check yourself.</span></font><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span
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face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana; color: navy;">Posting of
raw scores would help keep the honest man honest.
By posting raw scores, I think there would be a reduction of bias
any way you cut it: Santa-Clausing, Low-balling, “teams”,
regionality, or other bias’ would be removed/reduced if the person
knew
ahead of time that the judges scores would be posted.</span></font><font
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face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana; color: navy;">And most
importantly, increased “transparency” in the system
helps the seasoned and new comer alike understand the process of the
contest, scoring, and “how” the 1000, 900, or 800’s came to be. I
believe that no matter whom you are, you want to leave a contest and
feel
like you (& everyone) was dealt a fair hand. Transparency is
the key to this. </span></font><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></font></b></font></b></p>
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face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana; color: navy;">OK – last
one – it takes “scoring” which is a topic of much
discussion during and after a pattern contest in case you haven’t
heard,
away from a shadowy discussion, and brings to the open this topic
which
everyone is already discussing. This would do a lot to remove
ammunition from the conspiracy theorist and such whom all of our
districts have. Transparency is good </span></font><font
face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana;">J </span></font><o:p></o:p></font></b></font></b></p>
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</span></font><font color="navy" face="Verdana" size="2"><span
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none of this from the sour-grapes
perspective. I love this stuff. I think the potential
benefits from posting the raws would out weight the potential bad,
provide more transparency for the competitor and also provide judges
training.<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>JShulman<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August
27, 2007 1:49
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
Are we behind the times?<br>
</span></font><font face="Verdana" size="4"><span
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</span></font><font color="blue" face="Verdana" size="4"><span
style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Verdana; color: blue;">Probably
the best reason not to have
it...lol. It's bad enough when we screw-up... I mean when a pilot
screws-up and you hear all the OOOooooohhhhhhhhhhhh's from the crowd.
Now
just imagine the uproar when someone gets judged for a maneuver that
they
are doing all wrong! Total Chaos!<br>
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</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Regards,<br>
Jason<br>
<a href="http://www.jasonshulman.com">www.jasonshulman.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</a></span></font><font
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Koopowitz<br>
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